lets make games shorter!

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:24 pm

for it is the nintendo way apparently

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/03 ... 26957.html

discuss

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:41 pm

"I like my games, like my sex. Short and Sweet."

Shigeru Myiamoto

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:14 pm

Short is not necessarily bad. Think Tetris. Think Katamari Damacy. Think Wario Ware.

And I do agree when he says some games are too long. As I don't have that much free time anymore I'm now more interested in games which you can play for just a few minutes (like Pop'n Music

) and then not touch them for months (if you're not addicted that is

).

But obviously long games are good too... If you have enough time to play them. If not you forget about the story even before you've played half of the game

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:26 pm

thing is though, i hate tetris.

i prefer my games long so i can justify the price that i pay for them

thats why i avoided yoshi's touch and go. all my friends thought it was great, but i wanted more from a game.

all i want is some good rpgs with a great story that lasts about 40 hours to keep me satisfied.

i cant justify a big price for a tiny game

TheDarkOne · Post by **TheDarkOne** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:28 pm

unless the replay value is immensily high im not much into short games, i kinda like medium-long games.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:29 pm

Calbrena wrote:Short is not necessarily bad. Think Tetris. Think Katamari Damacy. Think Wario Ware.

And I do agree when he says some games are too long. As I don't have that much free time anymore I'm now more interested in games which you can play for just a few minutes (like Pop'n Music ) and then not touch them for months (if you're not addicted that is ).

But obviously long games are good too... If you have enough time to play them. If not you forget about the story even before you've played half of the game

I don't mind short arcady game, because they're supposed to be short and emphasis on skill perfection. However, when I get a "game" with heavy storyline and I see the credits roll after 6 hours (and given the emphasis on storylining, it's more like after 3 hours of gameplay), I think I have every right to feel like I've been screwed.

Some games are a bit too long though. Look at RE4. I thought the game was marvelous, but past 75% I was getting anxious to see the game end, because I thought I had seen all and done all. MGS3 also pushes it.

That being said I prefer average length games whent hey are not arcady.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:29 pm

replay value > length imo

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:32 pm

MGS3 also pushes it

you know, the other day, i switched that one, and went into demo theatre, and watched every single cut scene of the game.

odd that.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:43 pm

Ward wrote:I don't mind short arcady game, because they're supposed to be short and emphasis on skill perfection. However, when I get a "game" with heavy storyline and I see the credits roll after 6 hours (and given the emphasis on storylining, it's more like after 3 hours of gameplay), I think I have every right to feel like I've been screwed.

I agree with that, but for RPGs for example, I'm perfectly happy with something ~ FF6. Good rythm, not too long, not too short. (though I do enjoy longer RPGs.... When I have extra free time)

And as you said with some games when you've done ~75% of the game you're already fed up with it and can't be bothered to play anymore. It shouldn't be like that

The problem with some long games is that they suffer from pace problems and they would be much more enjoyable if shorter imo

Questionmarktarius · Post by **Questionmarktarius** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:48 am

A big problem with most games is that they are overstuffed with manditory 'minigames' that are either rediculously tedious, or ungodly unforgiving.

Steamwood from Musashiden is a prime example here.

I could play the first three itterations of Zelda over and over, but pretty much all of them after that have a point where some odd pointless thing must be done perfectly to continue at all.

Slashley · Post by **Slashley** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:55 am

Questionmarktarius wrote:I could play the first three itterations of Zelda over and over, but pretty much all of them after that have a point where some odd pointless thing must be done perfectly to continue at all.

I hate puzzles which are based on skill rather than... you know, being puzzling.

I also hate puzzles which are based on color, being slightly colorblind. The "shoot blue-but-not-red octorocs" in Majora's Mask I couldn't do because the two looked the same in mine eyes. Thank god that was a minigame and not compulsory.
Also, in FF8 freeing the Ragnarok, having to kill the things in pairs had to be done by trial-and-error because I couldn't tell them apart

On topic: Short games are annoying. The more massive it is, the more satisfaction I get in completing it. I haven't replayed any game in ages. Play it, clear it, keep it for a memory.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:44 am

Slashley wrote:
I hate puzzles which are based on skill rather than... you know, being puzzling.

Skill based puzzles aren't that bad, you know, because they require you to improve.... you know, your skills. Random-like puzzles, though...

Slashley · Post by **Slashley** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:18 pm

Yeah but like, those lightning towers in FFX-2? Some of them are so quick they're total pricks and it pisses me off

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:33 pm

Didn't play FFX2.

Lap · Post by **Lap** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:57 pm

I think it's up to the game itself to dictate how long it should be. If it is a big epic, and a good one, then one would expect a rather long game to satisfy and justify the story or characters. If the game is good enough then it wouldn't matter how long it is because you'll keep on playing regardless, usually switching it off and saying 'holy shit, is that the time!!!'.

I would gladly give up time to play a game that was long if it kept my interest and I enjoyed playing it. Similarly, if a short game has replayable value then I would spend my time play that as well.

So I don't mind how long a game is. If it continues to interest me then I will play it. If not, then I won't.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:53 pm

Slashley wrote:Yeah but like, those lightning towers in FFX-2? Some of them are so quick they're total pricks and it pisses me off

no skillz :frank

Slashley · Post by **Slashley** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:18 am

Die

Also, come clear towers 5, 7-10 for me

Mitsurugi · Post by **Mitsurugi** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:00 pm

Slashley wrote:
Questionmarktarius wrote:I could play the first three itterations of Zelda over and over, but pretty much all of them after that have a point where some odd pointless thing must be done perfectly to continue at all.

I hate puzzles which are based on skill rather than... you know, being puzzling.

I also hate puzzles which are based on color, being slightly colorblind. The "shoot blue-but-not-red octorocs" in Majora's Mask I couldn't do because the two looked the same in mine eyes. Thank god that was a minigame and not compulsory.
Also, in FF8 freeing the Ragnarok, having to kill the things in pairs had to be done by trial-and-error because I couldn't tell them apart

On topic: Short games are annoying. The more massive it is, the more satisfaction I get in completing it. I haven't replayed any game in ages. Play it, clear it, keep it for a memory.

That kind of happened to me, sort of in parasite eve. When that pilot is taken over by eve and flies towards the building and aya is supposed to get off. I used trial and error 10 times because I couldn't do it the first time. It took me 10 times to find the ladder. Don't get me started during the end

Audiobully · Post by **Audiobully** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:23 pm

miyamoto makes me cry :cry

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:25 pm

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:17 pm

I like the way he looks on this pic, sad puppy gets!!

livewire · Post by **livewire** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:40 pm

Doesn't it depend on what kind of game it is tho? I mean a narrative being short in length is somewhat dissatisfying to most.. But a game like Tetris or WarioWare follows a completely different formula altogether. Games like that are inherently short by nature, but long in replay.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:08 pm

Or there's games like SG RPG which are short in narrative but long in production.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:01 pm

i'd settle for a game that makes me actually want to play it.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:03 pm

Xena the game?

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:09 pm

its been done and it was pretty bad

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:19 pm

I know, you played it

livewire · Post by **livewire** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:21 pm

Catwoman anyone?

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:35 pm

No thankyou D:

Brody · Post by **Brody** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:57 pm

Conker Live and Reloaded anyone? ^-^

livewire · Post by **livewire** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:55 am

Brody wrote:Conker Live and Reloaded anyone? ^-^

That could be interesting