Genso Suikoden Rhapsodia (Tactics)

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:22 pm

A tactical Suikoden rpg was patented the other month by Konami in North America, rumors started surfacing suggesting that Suikoden Tactics would make its way to E3. It didn't. BUt now, ever so randomly, we have pics of Suikoden Rhapsodia, a strategy rpg, in the new Shonen Jump.

Here's some basic information:

Name: Rhapsodia (Suikoden's not even in the name..)

Genre: SRPG

Scheduled release date: 2005 Fall

Time frame: around Suikoden 4 (the heroes are traveling and chasing after the "rune cannon", which is a threat to the world)

Comfirmed Suikoden 4 characters: Lino, Kika, Akagi, Mizuki, Keneth, Harvey

Comfirmed New characters:
Kyril (main character, the red clothed youth)
Andarc (the guy with glasses, subordinate of Kyril's father)
Seneca (the woman who uses a bow gun)
either Raracl or Racral (black hair girl)

Game system:
Combos are available by arranging and positioning the characters
Techniques, such as swing and paring, can be upgraded by experience points
Rune system is the same as the other Suikodens

As you can see from the image, it is in the Suikoden IV timeline. This is good and it is bad. The bad and obvious thing is, Suikoden IV sucked donkey nuts, why would I want to spend time in that timeline again with its lifeless, boring, stupid characters? Well, the answer to this is the good thing, it's possible that, with a little work, they could work on the characters for IV so that they're actually interesting. This game could, if that is even possible, help nullify a lot of Suikoden IV's problems (namely the story). After all, the ending to SIV felt like half a game in the first place so there's lots of potential this game could do.

Also, it seems to me that they are going to place the game around the whole world, for the first time ever will we be able to travel the whole Suikoden world map? The top left pic has mountainous terrain and sandy looking houses: Tinto? And that pic with the sunset and the grass...The Grasslands? Possible, they don't look like anything that was in SIV, unlike the other pics. But it would own if there was a world war or some shit, instead of one region a la every Genso Suikoden in existence.

The major battle systems in past Suikoden's have been pretty fun, all they lacked were amazing depth, customization, and difficulty. Perhaps if they bump up these things in this game, and have the story do exactly what I described above, we will have a winner. But I doubt they'll do it. It's probably another half assed game.

Thoughts? Anyone anticipated? It's coming out this year, that seems relatively fast, especially since SIV came out in Japan August of 2004. I bet it'll be short as hell.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:37 pm

it's probably gonna suck

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:37 pm

Jeff 2G6 · Post by **Jeff 2G6** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:08 pm

Rofl Suikoden 4 was the worst one by far. Why would they base this game around that Piece of crap? -10000000000000 pts

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:42 pm

fucks sake. s4 and all its characters were rubbish. well done. seriously, what is wrong with konami?

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:49 pm

I think whoever says SIV is better than III has problems.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:54 pm

that's everyone on wandering flame.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:55 pm

Haha. Don't forget every magazine publication in the US.

"But it's better than III"

-What?

edit: Steve is that Shaun's wife in ur av?

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:11 pm

well, as long as there's no sailing it can't be that bad...

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:35 pm

Chiepoon get plz

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:45 am

It looks alright I guess. I never played SIV, so I don't think I would know what the hell is going on anyway.

Jeff 2G6 · Post by **Jeff 2G6** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:28 am

Arashi wrote:It looks alright I guess. I never played SIV, so I don't think I would know what the hell is going on anyway.

Consider yourself lucky you never played it.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sat Jun 11, 2005 7:36 pm

I fucking hate Chipoo.

Konami Plans Suikoden Spinoff
New game to feature simulation gameplay.
by Anoop Gantayat

June 10, 2005 - According to the latest issue of Weekly Shonen Jump, Konami is currently at work on a simulation spin-off from Genso Suikoden. Titled Rapsodia (Rhapsody, perhaps?), the game is being developed for a Japanese PS2 release this fall.

Set in the world of Suikoden IV, Rapsodia presents a brand new story centered on a great canon that threatens to destroy all. Characters from Suikoden IV will appear along side new creations. The known cast features a character called Kyrill as main character. He's joined by Andark, the serious type who acts as a cool head for your party, and Seneca, who serves as a "mood maker."

As you'd expect, given that this is a Suikoden game and all, characters play a big role in Rapsodia. As you build up your party, you'll be able to equip new weapons and magic arts. Using experience points that you've earned in battle, you can raise your the level of your characters' skills, earning new skills in the process. On the battle field, characters can team up for special attacks.

And from Gamespot...

According to the latest issue of Shonen Jump magazine, Konami is making a spin-off of Suikoden IV, which will be titled "Rapsodia" (without Suikoden in its name). Slated for release on the PlayStation 2 this fall in Japan, the game will be the first strategy role-playing game in the series.

Rapsodia will depict the story of a group of travelers in search of a "rune cannon," which represents a threat to the world. The player will take the role of the main character Kiril, a dark-haired youngster who's been traveling with his father and friends. Other party members include Andark, a young, earnest man who works for Kiril's father, and Seneka, a lady who travels with Kiril.

Rapsodia takes place in the same world as the original Suikoden IV, so its characters will be making appearances in the game. One confirmed character is Suikoden IV’s female pirate Kika, an old friend of Kiril and his group. Kika is also spotted in the battle screen, suggesting that the characters from Suikoden IV will be usable as party members as well.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 3:15 pm

Considering I feel Suikoden IV should be stricken from the record, having another game remind me of its existence in so forceful a manner really pisses me off. This will have to get stellar reviews from people I trust for me to consider buying it.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:38 pm

So does it means we've got to get it asap and post a review on SG

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:09 pm

Yeah :pirate

I can't wait for a cel shaded meow attack

Dao · Post by **Dao** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:15 pm

Why do I get the feeling that Rhapsodia will be better than SIV

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:21 pm

Dao wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Rhapsodia will be better than SIV

Because evrybody in this thread has told you Suikoden IV looks shit..

And the screenshots make this game look okayish

Jeff 2G6 · Post by **Jeff 2G6** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:35 pm

Dao wrote:Why do I get the feeling that Rhapsodia will be better than SIV

Because it can't be any worse than Suiko4?

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:05 pm

I actually think the concept of a Suikoden SRPG is stupid. I think instead, they should put more effort into the large scale war battles(and add more of them) to give those battles some of the complexity of an SRPG without doing away with the other elements of the game. Still, it can't be worse than the last one, that's true.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:14 pm

If it's half as good as the [google]ship battles[/google] in S4 then...

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:24 pm

Paper, rock, scissors!

Oh wait, I guess Suikoden started out with that concept too.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:25 am

Those ship battles were too easy. So easy they werent even fun. I mean if you knew what you were doing you never got hit and you killed them in a hit. It was uber cake

This is the first Ive heard of this game...surprisingly.

They need to rehire the original director and fire that artist woman who directed 4. Otherwise just end Suikoden before they poison it any further.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:50 am

Forget this game. Namco x Capcom is already out and a million times more fun than I predict this to be.
It also has good characters as opposed to Suikoden IV ones

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 7:29 pm

Asaroth Larot wrote:Those ship battles were too easy. So easy they werent even fun. I mean if you knew what you were doing you never got hit and you killed them in a hit.

Wha?? You still had to guess which element they would use. I mean if they had them paired like two elements next to each other on the charts not, but they didn't always.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:46 pm

Asaroth Larot wrote:
They need to rehire the original director and fire that artist woman who directed 4. Otherwise just end Suikoden before they poison it any further.

foilfence · Post by **foilfence** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:14 pm

Hudson is developing the game... I don't know if that's a good or bad thing...

Anyway, I'm still hoping this can improve on the very sub-par Suikoden 4.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 8:49 pm

Hudson is not developing the game. The same people who did IV are developing it.

And this game looks to have potential, after some interviews and scans. Hopefully it will not disappoint.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 6:25 am

A strategy RPG with 100 characters to level up? Let me be the first to say: AAAAAAHHAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH![spoiler]AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAHHAAHHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHAAA
AHHHAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!![/spoiler]

There, that felt better.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:31 pm

You aren't a star of destiny, and this isn't a traditional Suikoden game, so I don't count on 100+ characters. I mean really, that in an srpg? Crazy.

Slashley · Post by **Slashley** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 7:51 am

Asaroth Larot wrote:Those ship battles were too easy. So easy they werent even fun. I mean if you knew what you were doing you never got hit and you killed them in a hit. It was uber cake

Well, that's better than S2 battles.
"HEY GUYS LET'S MAKE THE BATTLES ENTIRELY RANDOM BASED ON CHANCE OLOLOOOLO
That way the weakest unit can beat an entire army if it just gets lucky!!!11

"
At least they should've made some kind of diminishing returns on those chances

A unit with 73284979832 atk vs a unit with 1 Def, 95% chance of success, FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL OH YOU DIED

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 8:54 am

Ultimately there wasn't much randomness, even if there was unit to unit. Most battles in Suikoden 2 are automatic lose or win or very near to that.

Slashley · Post by **Slashley** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:01 pm

Lord Golbez wrote:Ultimately there wasn't much randomness, even if there was unit to unit. Most battles in Suikoden 2 are automatic lose or win or very near to that.

Except not. Mass battles were 100% made of luck, even if they stacked the favor heavily for you OR for the enemy. I've had ALL the battles ingame go totally the other direction the game "meant" to go, just because of pure luck or pure bad luck.
I've literally had one single last enemy unit kill off ALL my units, simply because he succeeded in his 5% chance attacks and I didn't succeed in my 95% attacks... EVER.
IT WAS FUCKING FRUSTRATING.

S2 mass battles = pure random. Sure, it's unlikely you'll lose with your odds at 95%, but the fact is, that 5% CAN happen 100 or even 1000 in a row. Of course, it can happen for your advantage as well.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:19 pm

I agree with Slashley. I never had much problem with the normal boss battles in SII but those strategy battles were just plain luck most of the time.

It was quite random.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:36 am

himurokoken wrote:Hudson is not developing the game. The same people who did IV are developing it.

I'd rather this Hudson develop it than the bunch of fucknuts who developed SIV.

This game is going to pointless wank.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:03 pm

I've never even played a Hudson game.

I don't think the team is bad, just the director, and the person who decided everything should be gray.

edit:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/642/642556p2.html

Gameplay sounds great but plz be hard and long, like srpgs are supposed to be. Suikoden games are notorious for being short and easy, so amp it up niggers!

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:55 pm

Is this game really coming out in America next week?
Too many new games I want to play out this month

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:11 pm

Yes it comes out next week.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:03 pm

himurokoken wrote:I've never even played a Hudson game.

I don't think the team is bad, just the director, and the person who decided everything should be gray.

edit:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/642/642556p2.html

Gameplay sounds great but plz be hard and long, like srpgs are supposed to be. Suikoden games are notorious for being short and easy, so amp it up niggers!

Suikoden 2's not that short IMO. I think it's a pretty good, standard RPG length. Suikoden 3 probably took me lobnger even, but it's artificially lengthened in several ways, both by plot devices and game mechanics, so I will concur that it is too short. Suikoden 4 would be shorter than Suikoden 1 if it weren't for the ship, so that's right in there.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:38 pm

The ship

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:09 am

himurokoken wrote:I agree with Slashley. I never had much problem with the normal boss battles in SII but those strategy battles were just plain luck most of the time.

No, you guys just suck.
The only battle that was CLEARLY based on luck was the mission to save Ridley.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:11 am

man suiko 2 rocked. too bad the rest of the series isn't that good.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:38 am

3 was good, but it could've been monster good
i'd call 1 'primitive' instead of bad

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:01 pm

2 was obviously better but I wouldn't say 1 was bad, I enjoyed it a lot actually

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:54 pm

I played 1 through about 3-4 times.
I don't have enough tiem to play games through 1/2 time nowdays

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:37 pm

i actually thought 1 had the makings of a better story than 2, it was just... as i said, primitive
i'm not trashing 1 at all, in fact i'd love to see a remake of it

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sat Nov 05, 2005 8:46 pm

Suikoden II adds to I. A lot.

edeo · Post by **edeo** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:19 am

I actually miss the horribly bad box art from Suikoden I. It's charming almost.

Where did that box art come from anyway? That can't be what they used in Japan.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:20 am

Hell if I fucking know.

Jeff 2G6 · Post by **Jeff 2G6** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 8:14 am

2, 3, 1, 4 in that order.

Actually I haven't even played through 4 because it's so shit and boring.