Ghost in the Shell: Innocence

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:57 am

Doom wrote:2) it's nearly impossible for me to see it in theaters anyway.

*AHEM* No it isn't

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 6:59 am

Har, I was waiting for that.

Xephonic · Post by **Xephonic** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 7:08 am

I saw it in theatres

the 3rd child · Post by **the 3rd child** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 9:47 am

I don't feel like driving 2 hours to go see this, so I'm (trying) to get it off of bit torrent and scouring the newsgroups, but of course nothing is coming up and bit torrent is horrible as always.

iamsheep · Post by **iamsheep** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:13 pm

the torrent version is an waste, bad translation and sound timing...

can't wait for the dvd to come out. amazing art.

you like to SAC cause Major is still in real person

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Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:25 pm

No... SAC is better.

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 9:55 pm

The only place I know it's showing is about and hour and a half away toward Philly. A friend and I might make the trip Friday.

the 3rd child · Post by **the 3rd child** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:40 pm

So I just finished this and I gotta say that it was one of the best movies I've watched in a long time.

nomaru · Post by **nomaru** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 6:14 pm

SAC is so much better. I also think the first one is tons better as well.

sure it's pretty, but i didn't really care about batou or togusa without the major. the dialogue was thick with historical confucious/wise quotes--really wordy without all the action.

i thought it was a waste of my time, although i did enjoy the pretty pictures.

didn't AD Police have some kinda plot like this? bots randomly disfunctioning and turning on their owners? bots that were primarily used for sex?

i think the AD Police anime was better story/actionwise. but i'm not really an in depth anime fan.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:42 pm

nomaru wrote:SAC is so much better. I also think the first one is tons better as well.

I'd be willing to debate that. Call me crazy but I thought Batou's character profiling in Innocence was much better than Motoko's in the original.

sure it's pretty, but i didn't really care about batou or togusa without the major.

Togusa is awesome... in SAC, that is. Oshii's Togusa sucks.

nomaru · Post by **nomaru** » Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:58 pm

Doom wrote:
nomaru wrote:SAC is so much better. I also think the first one is tons better as well.
I'd be willing to debate that. Call me crazy but I thought Batou's character profiling in Innocence was much better than Motoko's in the original.

sure it's pretty, but i didn't really care about batou or togusa without the major.
Togusa is awesome... in SAC, that is. Oshii's Togusa sucks.

i just thought the profiling for batou in innocence was boring. it was done pretty well, but i didn't feel like i shoulda really care about him. didnt identify with him.

however, regarding togusa in SAC--yes, i agree with you whole heartedly. he was awesome in the series.

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 2:26 am

I just saw it today and I loved it. There’s nothing I really didn’t like about the movie. I didn’t think there was anything wrong with the story or how they presented Batou & Togusa. I would like to see a continuation of their partnership, as long they don’t continuously keep him out of action for the reasons just shown. Last but not least, the graphics were awesome. It’s worth going just to see them in the big screen.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:32 am

Have you watched SAC?

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:39 am

Of course

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 5:48 am

After watching it and fully understand the dialouge..

My opinion still hasn't changed. The parts I knew already I didn't like - the rambling nonsense of the forensics woman was superfulous and pointless; it served no purpose what so ever now that I understand it. I always thought the dialouge between Batou & Togusa was OK, but it could have been a bit better.

More to come when I'm not drunk

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:09 am

Well, the most unnecessary scene was the best looking one (the parade) ...

oh and 2nd Gig ep 14 owned

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:16 am

So 2nd Gig is good then?

That scene, the one when they were flying around the city, and the burning of the cyborgs all sorta fell into that unnecessary class. The first two were worth it just to watch though.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:24 am

If you liked 1st Gig, why wouldn't you assume 2nd Gig to be good and follow it from the outset?

You could argue from an artistic point of view that all of the scenes you mentioned did plenty to build atmosphere and on the setting (because they did) while the forensics scene really was extraneous.

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:01 am

The scene sorta ties in with the creation of cyborgs w/ ghosts, plus you could sorta argue that it adds to the mood of the film as well.

I dunno, back when, I think it was either someone at S7 or maybe Mikey said something about 2nd Gig not being as good. I don’t remember there being as much ‘hubbub’ about it either.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:50 pm

Mikey never even finished 1st Gig, as far as I know. >:|

Kokaku · Post by **Kokaku** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:55 pm

I know for sure I was watching something else at the time, and he said I should finish that first then watch SAC because it's a lot better.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:53 pm

The forensics scene, the extended shot over Hong Kong, the parade.. a lot of that was completely pointless in a lot of ways. I would have liked to have had Kusanagi been a bit more than just a fight cameo; also, I would have preferred if they explored the Chief's line - "Batou is acting more and more like the Major".. I didn't see that. Agh.

I admit though, this movie did make me want to watch SAC.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 6:56 pm

SAC is completely different. The same themes are present, but take a backseat to the presentation of the setting and a cop show feel. The structure is kind of like Bebop, actually.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 7:10 pm

Now I really want to watch SAC

That sounds like a show I would really like!

iamsheep · Post by **iamsheep** » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:14 am

i don't think this is structured like behop cause it is much more complex and darker than behop is.

the tone sets of these anime has two distinctive directions.

yea, SAC II eps 14 owns

nomaru · Post by **nomaru** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:24 pm

the movie needed more kusanagi, period

i also felt that the chief's line shoulda been explored/developed concerning batou behaving like the major

i would rather see a SAC based GITS movie

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:16 pm

For anyone who wants a subbed version of Innocence, apparently LMF approved the subs for the 2.3 gig version that just came out yesterday or two days ago (I forget), so it's your best bet translation-wise.

But it's 2.3 gigs...

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 7:56 pm

How did Kim's scene relate at all to the plot of the movie? I mean, it was the best scene, but I don't see how it fit in.

j0hn Ayanami · Post by **j0hn Ayanami** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 9:04 pm

Dave wrote:How did Kim's scene relate at all to the plot of the movie? I mean, it was the best scene, but I don't see how it fit in.

They got the information they needed on where the ship was located, diagrams, and hard evidence against the company

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:14 pm

maybe im the only one but i really didnt like the movie
felt like a 20 min ep dragged out to 90 by making it entirely in slow motion with 75% unneccesary scenes and dialogue consisting of only quoting guys that wrote things
thumbs down

ruroken · Post by **ruroken** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:06 pm

I want my subs!

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 8:07 pm

They've been out for like a month and a half.

Killey · Post by **Killey** » Mon Nov 01, 2004 10:03 pm

I managed to win free tickets to this movie so I'll probably be watching it next week. It's just a shame that the closest theatre thats playing it is a 40 minute drive from where I live.

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