Final Fantasy XII out!

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:34 am

Would you become straight if CE looked like Rinoa?

And that FFXII character does look kinda like Gackt

(though I think CM meant Squall looked like Gackt?

Maybe FF characters actually all look like Gackt?

)

... Does CE look like Gackt too?

Anyway, I don't know how anyone can say FFXII story is superb before playing it... Personally I won't judge either way until I get to play it myself. That is, if I play it at all, as the terrible (imho, based on playing the demo) gameplay might put me off before the story even really start

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 11:00 am

I wouldn't really call it terrible. I mean, you had a solid basis for a battle system in the demo... Here's to hoping the demo just showed the basis, and isn't the full set of features of the battle system! I couldn't do 40 hours of just that (kinda like KH did

) - although then again, it sure beats 40 hours of random encounters.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 2:10 pm

No it sure doesn't, and it seems to me I was running into more monsters in the demo than under random encounters usually.

Cybernetic Empire · Post by **Cybernetic Empire** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:14 pm

Me too. Then again, it was a short gameplay demo for a game that's been in development since 1989. Perhaps I just felt the need to go fight every monster I saw since I'd been waiting for so long to see anything the least bit tangible out of this game. When the final product arrives I sincerely doubt I'll be fighting every monster I see on the screen and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to avoid plenty of other enemies when I don't want to fight (thanks for all that training FFXI :X).

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:37 pm

Calbrena wrote:Would you become straight if CE looked like Rinoa?

And that FFXII character does look kinda like Gackt (though I think CM meant Squall looked like Gackt? Maybe FF characters actually all look like Gackt? )

Well I guess Square and Gackt all go for the synthetic Japanese pretty boy looks every time.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:02 pm

Lord Golbez wrote:No it sure doesn't, and it seems to me I was running into more monsters in the demo than under random encounters usually.

Yeah but the fights lasted half as long, and the battles didn't feel like you teleported in a different world every single time you got into one. So plz, stfu and keep playing games from the past.

And besides, we all play FFs for the story, not their traditionally shit gameplay, which the demo severely lacked.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:15 pm

I've played a fair bit of the actual game and read a fair few spoilers and still think it's crap.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:52 pm

Plaztik · Post by **Plaztik** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 1:44 pm

Damien wrote:I've played a fair bit of the actual game and read a fair few spoilers and still think it's crap.

:<

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 5:43 pm

Personal opinion, but the game's clearly not for everybody.

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:20 pm

well duh.

i'd rather have a game that splits the audience in two based on gameplay rather than storyline arcs that involve teensy-popsy-emo-wittle-japanese-chicks and their wild adventures!

Plaztik · Post by **Plaztik** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:45 pm

Damien wrote:Personal opinion, but the game's clearly not for everybody.

fair enough...
I personally am still psyched about the 'fresh' Final Fantasy we'll be getting...however i do realize that i shouldn't get my hopes up to high, because i might get disappointed...
I'm still positive though

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:13 pm

WaWard wrote:well duh.

i'd rather have a game that splits the audience in two based on gameplay rather than storyline arcs that involve teensy-popsy-emo-wittle-japanese-chicks and their wild adventures!

Is this supposed to be a reference to all FF, or just FFX2....

Questionmarktarius · Post by **Questionmarktarius** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:00 pm

WaWard wrote:i'd rather have a game that splits the audience in two based on gameplay rather than storyline arcs that involve teensy-popsy-emo-wittle-japanese-chicks and their wild adventures!

Is that even possible?

Where would the dividing line be? People who have X set to 'confirm' vs. people who have O set to 'confirm'?

Chrono_Misjudged · Post by **Chrono_Misjudged** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:12 pm

What on earth do you speak of?

Arguing about buttons? If this is the last issue posted I think is a pity matter.

Why Are there so many detractors against FFXII?
I think it will be a good game.
Why Do I often find some bad opinions against games with awesome graphics, when the ones with poor graphics also have such a poor and worst plot? at least no better than the ones with marvellous graphics.

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:21 pm

I think it'll be bad.
You think it'll be good.

That's the magic of OPINIONS.

I think it's pretty safe to say people here have played a lot of RPGs.
And after playing the demo and reading articles about the game, I think it's perfectly justified to say they think it'll be rubbish.

Just because it's from SE/is a FF/is an RPG doesn't automatically mean quality, does it?

And the reason you find bad opinions about games with awesome graphics is that people who only judge games on graphics should be shot. Simple as.
I play games for gameplay!

Edit: And story too.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:58 pm

i watched my friend play the first hour of the nipper version (a while ago)

hopefully there was more to the battle system than that, bcos it was really tedious

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:19 pm

Doom wrote:i watched my friend play the first hour of the nipper version (a while ago)

hopefully there was more to the battle system than that, bcos it was really tedious

what FF battle system hasn't been (unless you're a level up whore).

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 3:43 pm

I've played the game, understand how to play it, and don't like it.
Maybe the story and characters in the American version will change my opionion, and I hope this will be the case but very much doubt it

Doom, there's a lot more to the battle system than you see in the first hour

Chrono_Misjudged · Post by **Chrono_Misjudged** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:22 pm

For goodness sake!!!! We're talking about one RPG!!! The most RPG's battle system seldom aren't tedious. Always RPG's battle system are tedious, except for a few Action RPGs and for the like better RPGs for everyone. I mean, RPG's battle system use to be bored and tedious, unless you like very much the game to get sucked in it.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:26 pm

Chrono_Misjudged wrote:For goodness sake!!!! We're talking about one RPG!!! The most RPG's battle system seldom isn't tedious. Always RPG's battle system are tedious, except for a few Action RPGs and for the like better RPGs for everyone. I mean, RPG's battle system use to be bored and tedious, unless you like very much the game to get sucked in it.

Do you like RPGs?

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:30 pm

Meh...theres a difference between repetitive and tedious. Sure, you pretty much do the same actions multiple times in any RPG (actually just about any game, but I'll grant it happens a bit more in RPGs), but in some games it weighs on you more than in others, for a variety of potential reasons beyond the scope of this post,

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:14 pm

Chrono_Misjudged wrote:For goodness sake!!!! We're talking about one RPG!!! The most RPG's battle system seldom aren't tedious. Always RPG's battle system are tedious, except for a few Action RPGs and for the like better RPGs for everyone. I mean, RPG's battle system use to be bored and tedious, unless you like very much the game to get sucked in it.

Wow how many RPGs have you played? It goes without saying that most games are mediocre, including most RPGs. Typically mediocre RPGs have tedious battle systems.

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:27 am

Who gives a fuck what Ward says, he's a tard

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:54 pm

THAT'S IT GARBO. I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU.

YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU ASSHAT. YOU'RE THE WORST OF THE INTERWEB. I HATE YOU EVEN MORE THAN COLLIN. YES! COLLIN! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO MASTURBATE TO BRAD PITT YOU MORON.

STOP REPLYING TO MY POSTS UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY, WHICH IS KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. SO YOU SHOULD PROBABLY STOP POSTING ALTOGETHER. IT'S NOT LIKE INTERWEB PPL GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU (ASIDE FROM LAUGHING AT YOU).

Cerv · Post by **Cerv** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:47 am

...

that was cute...

Plaztik · Post by **Plaztik** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:52 pm

o dear

Cybernetic Empire · Post by **Cybernetic Empire** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:39 pm

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:03 pm

Jeff 2G6 · Post by **Jeff 2G6** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:13 am

The CE is so stupid. WHat a waste of money.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 10:33 am

rofl I <3 Ward

Anyway, back on topic,

to tedious and repetitive being 2 really different things. Xenogears' gameplay is tedious, FFT's is repetitive but awesome (ok here I'm cheating comparing a tactical RPGs to a normal RPG I suppose

But still, I'm pretty sure there are loads of tactical RPGs with a crap gameplay, just chose these 2 games because they were made around the same time and I like them both). Now, some people might not agree with that statement, but as Yuka said, that's the magic of opinions. My opinion of FFXII demo is that it's crap and tedious. My opinion of the game in itself is that it looked boring. Now, the US version might change my mind (and it would be a good thing), but from what I've seen I doubt it. And personally I think my opinion is more 'valid' than say, someone who wouldn't have played the demo at all or heard about the story but thought FFXII was awesome just because it's called FF.

Oh and btw normally I should be biased towards that game as I like both FFT and Vagrant Story. And yes, when it was first announced I was hoping it would be awesome.

Now, about the ZOMG awesome graphics thing, as Yuka said, gameplay > story > graphics. Give me a game with a good gameplay and a good story and I'm happy, even if it's fugly. Give me a game with good graphics but a tedious gameplay and an average story and I'm bored. Now, give me a game with excellent gameplay, story and graphics and I will probably buy your next game even if I know very little about it. Unfortunately Square hasn't given us that in ages so I don't see why I should trust them blindly.

Anyway, does anybody know what Mystwalker is up to these days?

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:03 am

Xbox

Entr0pi3 · Post by **Entr0pi3** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:28 am

These 2 XBox 360 RPGs announced a while ago, as far as I know: one being chara-designed by Akira Toriyama, and the other by the author of Slam Dunk.

I haven't heard of any other projects. Their choice to support (exclusively, so far?

) the 360 sounds quite risky, tbh... (not that I'm bashing that system - actually any exclusive support to one of the "new gen"/"next gen" console would sound quite risky to me at the moment

)

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:45 am

Ward

Cal

Chrono_Misjudged · Post by **Chrono_Misjudged** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:57 pm

How rude these posts are becoming!

Xbox? I have no intention in buying Xbox. PS2 Forever!!!

(Remember you that Japan is the natural contry for the best RPGs, and in Japan only success Sony and Nintendo Enterprises)

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 1:36 pm

Opinions written in poor English are opinions that suck.

Cybernetic Empire · Post by **Cybernetic Empire** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:56 pm

Jeff 2G6 wrote:The CE is so stupid. WHat a waste of money.

THAT'S IT JEFF 2G6. I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU.

YOU CAN GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU ASSHAT. YOU'RE THE WORST OF THE INTERWEB. I HATE YOU EVEN MORE THAN COLLIN. YES! COLLIN! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GO MASTURBATE TO BRAD PITT YOU MORON.

STOP REPLYING TO MY POSTS UNLESS YOU HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY, WHICH IS KINDA HARD TO BELIEVE. SO YOU SHOULD PROBABLY STOP POSTING ALTOGETHER. IT'S NOT LIKE INTERWEB PPL GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU (ASIDE FROM LAUGHING AT YOU).

Entr0pi3 · Post by **Entr0pi3** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 5:05 pm

Chrono_Misjudged wrote:Xbox? I have no intention in buying Xbox. PS2 Forever!!!

No PS3 for you, then?

(well, I rather agree on that one, at the moment it's the least appealing "next/new gen" system to me)

(Remember you that Japan is the natural contry for the best RPGs, and in Japan only success Sony and Nintendo Enterprises)

You're entitled your own opinion on what (and who) makes a good RPG, but don't just assume this opinion is regarded as Truth by everyone else.

Anyway, do you realise that Japanese developers are actually starting to show interest in the XBox 360, to the point it might actually end up getting more developer support than the PS3?

Mystwalker is one of those japanese company that you so trust on making good RPG: actually the boss of the company is Hironobu Sakaguchi, the original creator of the Final Fantasy series.

Games are what makes a system worth buying, in my opinion - who cares who built the system? And who cares about Sony? Keep in mind their main job is to build and sell electronic devices such as music players, and, incidentally, multimedia devices that happen to be able to play video games. But Japanese or not, they've never developed any good RPG.

Chrono_Misjudged · Post by **Chrono_Misjudged** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:45 pm

Maybe my english isn't as good as yours (obviously). I have the sneaky feeling that in these posts the most of the people always write their bad opinions about the main issue explained in the post, only few people write a good opinion, I think that in Spanish forums happen the contrary, I mean, people that write in one topic is in order to express, the most of the time, a good opinion. I mean that I have the sneaky feeling that the most topics posted in this forum is in order to destroy, literally, all the games treated in each topic!!! You want to demoralize Square-Enix!!! I will only demoralize Square-Enix if need be

By the way, I think the same as you EntrOpi3 about games are more important than systems (PS,xbox,Nintendo,etc...) exactly that's the reason why I chose PS2 instead other systems, because its games like better (to me, my favourites) than others. About our dear Hironobu Sakaguchi I have to say that FF series will continue with or without him (I suppose, because I'm not either an expert about the matter ) In fact I couldn't imagine one FF above VII made by another system than PS ( XIII will also be for PS3 ). That is, games (succesfull series specially) use to go beyond its original creators. My decision is simply to understand, the games I liked most in the past were from Square and Enix, and Square is 'the father' of the most important RPG ever created: FF. And, in Japan, the most popular RPG that never came to Spain was from Enix: DQ (luckily DQVIII came to Spain). The results of the association is Square-Enix, so the best games are from Squre-Enix, is simply to understand, an enterprise that only practically make RPG games and is pioneer (first), it necessarilly make Square-Enix the best company for RPGs. And the most of its games are developed for PS. Now, you will tell me : What about FFXI for Xbox? Well, I have to say that I don't like to play online games, they would make me an slave of my internet pals. I play RPG games alone at home, I don't like very much play games with friends, I prefer enjoy another activities with frieds (or go out with girls

but not play games with them)
My last reason, and the main, to chose PS is crushing, I'm not planned to buy PS2, I buy my PS2 specifically for two games (although I ended buying a few more) FFXII and DQVIII after I watched them in web sites.

The fact is in Japan, for the time being, Xbox isn't very succesful, the contrary happen to Nintendo and Sony. xbox is succesful in USA. I expect to be forgiven by Bill Gates, but, from my point of view the inclusion of Microsoft in Videogames world is an attempt to monopolize the technology market in all its branches (Personal Computes, Comunications, Videogames, etc...). Microsoft would control all about technology in our lives, I don't agree with the idea of being coerced to buy one game or another in order to satisfy Microsoft and be able to keep my windows happy because tha games I play are also from the same company.

You couldn't convince me to not buy this game

, I'm gonna buy this game at all costs

I decided it long ago and I expect this won't take long to arrive at Spain, Square-Enix is going too far with tha dates. Maybe I also buy another one before (for the time being, I won't tell you which)

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:54 pm

If Square Enix paid attention to this forum (unlikely, seeing as we can't even get nubs to pay much attention), hopefully rather than being demoralized, they would take with them a message to get back in gear and start producing games of quality like they did back in the good old days before inidividual FF games had sequels.

Cybernetic Empire · Post by **Cybernetic Empire** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:01 pm

I have a sneaky feeling that they're watching us right now...

I had a sneaky feeling!

This girl passed out on my bed one time and I got a sneaky feeling.

Chrono_Misjudged · Post by **Chrono_Misjudged** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:11 pm

If my learning english books don't lie, I think that :

I have the sneaky feeling... = Algo me dice que..., Me da la sensación que..

By the way Lord Goldbez, your avatar seem a damn Judge Master from FFXII!!!

Cybernetic Empire · Post by **Cybernetic Empire** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:47 pm

Chrono_Misjudged wrote: By the way Lord Goldbez, your avatar seem a damn Judge Master from FFXII!!!

I have a sneaky feeling that you're about to be corrected.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 7:50 pm

Cybernetic Empire wrote:
Chrono_Misjudged wrote: By the way Lord Goldbez, your avatar seem a damn Judge Master from FFXII!!!
I have a sneaky feeling that you're about to be corrected.

My avatar matches my name. It's a Goldbez avatar

Anyway, I haven't been critical of FFXII aside from the gameplay of the demo, which I didn't really care for.

Also, your English books are a bit off on idioms. The phrase in common usage is "I have a sneaking suspicion."

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:22 pm

Entr0pi3 wrote:I haven't heard of any other projects. Their choice to support (exclusively, so far? ) the 360 sounds quite risky, tbh... (not that I'm bashing that system - actually any exclusive support to one of the "new gen"/"next gen" console would sound quite risky to me at the moment )

Not so far. They're Microsoft Games Studio games.

I don't think it's as much them choosing the 360, but MS giving them their first chance (and monies).

Entr0pi3 · Post by **Entr0pi3** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 9:29 pm

> Chrono_Misjudged
I somewhat understand your concerns about Microsoft. I certainely wouldn't like them to monopolize the console market. Just like I don't want Sony to (nor even Nintendo. Competition is good for consumers). And I have absolutely no sympathy for Sony at the moment. Their arrogant attitude, numerous lies, faulty systems (their Playstations, as electronic devices, are total crap: too many of them get defective too soon)... They think they can get away with it because they're currently dominating the console market (just like Microsoft dominates the computer software market with sub-optimal products such as Internet Explorer), but at the moment, I really hope their next system will be a flop, as in my opinion, that race they started (along with Microsoft) for extra-powerful systems is stupid, out-of-place, and damaging for video games in general (escalation of the development costs, for instance => developers don't want to take much risks and keep replicating the same formulas over and over again => stagnation in creativity... + we have to pay more for our games and systems, too)

Anyway... You seem to have (somewhat blind, in my opinion) faith in Square-Enix, as brand, for developing good RPG. But I think you're mistaken. Sure, I know the history of video games, and these two companies developed high quality RPG in the past. But keep in mind a company is just a name/label/whatever. The people actually behind the creation process of the products, that's what really matter. And if you pay attention, you'll notice many of these people that used to work for Square-Enix in the past, and were responsible for the creation of great games, left the company since then. Now they're in new companies called Mystwalker, Monolith Soft, and so on. There isn't that much left of the Square and Enix of the past, beside the name. Their current staff might produce good games from time to time, but I've stumbled upon rather uninspired games as well. Now when they release new games, I do hope they'll be good... But (back on topic?) I'm afraid I was disappointed by the FFXII demo after playing it, and I won't pretend I'm not just to "spare Square-Enix feelings".
Oh, and obviously, even a good developer/designer's name in a game's credit isn't solid proof the game will be good, either. Playing the game, that's the only way to know.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 1:47 pm

This girl, she speaks the truth:

Entr0pi3 wrote:Sure, I know the history of video games, and these two companies developed high quality RPG in the past. But keep in mind a company is just a name/label/whatever. The people actually behind the creation process of the products, that's what really matter.

And if you pay attention, you'll notice many of these people that used to work for Square-Enix in the past, and were responsible for the creation of great games, left the company since then. Now they're in new companies called Mystwalker, Monolith Soft, and so on. There isn't that much left of the Square and Enix of the past, beside the name.

Their current staff might produce good games from time to time, but I've stumbled upon rather uninspired games as well. Now when they release new games, I do hope they'll be good... But (back on topic?) I'm afraid I was disappointed by the FFXII demo after playing it, and I won't pretend I'm not just to "spare Square-Enix feelings".

Oh, and obviously, even a good developer/designer's name in a game's credit isn't solid proof the game will be good, either. Playing the game, that's the only way to know.

, and to that I will add reading reviews isn't enough either, as we all know how crap reviews can be.

Now, if someone who's opinion I trust gives me his/her first hand impression of the game it will probably give me a better idea of what the game is like, but I wouldn't trust an opinion written in a random magazine or on a random website as for all I know the reviewer might have barely touched the game/be corrupted/etc.

Lord Goldbez · Post by **Lord Goldbez** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:13 pm

You're all fools.
Final Fantasy XII and Sony Playstation 2 is the ULTIMATE combination, and anybody that doesn't agree isn't a real game player.
Square-Enix is without doubt the best game company on earth!
Anybody that would even think an RPG on a non Japanese or Sony console like Xbox 360 could be anything other than inferior obviously has a lot to learn

Entr0pi3 · Post by **Entr0pi3** » Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:52 pm

lolz

Square Gamer

Final Fantasy XII out!

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