Suikoden V discussion

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:37 pm

I was talking to you!

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:15 pm

I know

xeliciax · Post by **xeliciax** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:35 pm

Hello! I'm completely knew to this, but I need some help. Badly. You see, I got into Suikoden V some time ago, but I always miss one character. Who is that I hear you cry? SAIROU! THE TRADE SHOP OWNER! BECAUSE OF HIM I HAVE TO SEE LYON DIE REPEATEDLY!! So, yeah if anyone can help me by telling me when and how I can get him, It will be GREATLY appreciated

PS: PLEASE help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xeliciax

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:51 pm

Uh...WTF? There are guys that are much more time sensitive/harder to get than him. It can be a pain to wait, but just buy a bunch of salt, wait for him to say that the price has skyrocketed and sell it all. Then talk to him and he'll join.

xeliciax · Post by **xeliciax** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 6:18 pm

Lol I know, I know. But I forget about him 'cos I get so wrapped up in everything. But the good thing is now that I can get him and I can finally see the best ending!!! Thankyou!!!

Oh, and thanx for replying so quick!

xeliciax · Post by **xeliciax** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:08 pm

Is there anytime that Sairou becomes like...unavailable to recruit? like Nakula does?

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:40 pm

Oh my god I miss Suikoden so much

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:04 pm

There will never be a Suikoden VI... or if there is it will be some shit like BoF VI. Also, a spiritual successor, if one ever exists, may be a good game, but it will scarcely make up for all the unresolved plotlines in the series.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 9:41 pm

I never bothered finishing Suikoden V. Seemed to meander way too much and I kept getting tired and falling asleep while playing

Cid · Post by **Cid** » Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:01 pm

You know I always wanted to play a Suikoden game but never did. Doesn't each one have like a billion characters?

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:50 am

I'm with Cid on this one.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:21 am

108 playable characters. The majority of them only really have bit or cameo parts though. I actually enjoyed the DS game Suikoden Tierkreis just as much as 5.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:49 am

It's like Chrono Cross (or rather, Chrono Cross is like Suikoden, as Suikoden had two entries out before CC was even released). Except the characters are more central to the story. Damien is kinda wrong about the majority of them being side characters. About half can be used in combat, and the other half can be used as support characters outside of battle or who have functions inside the castle.

It also depends on the game. In the first game, most of the characters are gained in side quests. In III, most of the characters are gained through the story. In V, there's about an even mix and although that means that a lot of them are used in the story, most are well fleshed out. With over 30-40 main characters relevant to the story, I still consider it to a sizable story telling achievement in games to this day.

A lot of characters have their own side quests or side storylines. Like there's some characters where it feels like there's more than what they're letting on and they're mysterious, and their stories are fleshed out in later games like Georg Prime. Or there's characters who show up from game to game who you get to see grow up because of the series has a linear timeline (at least from I=III) like with Futch and his dragon Bright. You literally get to see Futch go from boy to man as you progress the series, which is really cool.

Even cooler is that the games all take place in a single world, with each game taking place in a different area of the world as they expand upon series history, lore, and places. You'll hear of places hinted one game, and go there the next game. Or you'll hear of places having a different culture and you never see it in that entry, which makes it feel like the world is vast and mysterious as more and more details of the world come out from game to game.

If you can't tell, I really like the series and I found it to be unique in games in its approach to story telling, especially for an RPG series, that I think to this day, is kind of unmatched. Other games have tried to mimic it like the aforementioned Chrono Cross, but nothing has really filled the void for me since it died.

Easily my favorite RPG series.

Really good article on the more cherished game in the series if you're interested.

http://kotaku.com/why-you-should-play-s ... 1668857424

The games are on psn and you can play them on ps3/4.

RDM · Post by **RDM** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:56 am

The RDM never got enough into Suikoden 2+ to play them through. He enjoyed the first one, though.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:10 pm

Suikoden 2 was a huge leap ahead of the first one. Best in the series and one of my favorite games.

RDM · Post by **RDM** » Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:12 pm

Meh. It seemed like a lot of work at the time.

Or maybe that was around when the RDM stopped being so unemployed all the time.

Doom · Post by **Doom** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 3:57 pm

Suikoden

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:38 pm

That sums it up

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:33 am

This needs to be re-released with good loading times. Sadly i heard there a few things stopping it ever getting released on current consoles.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:50 am

Joei wrote:This needs to be re-released with good loading times. Sadly i heard there a few things stopping it ever getting released on current consoles.

Is one of them Konami?

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:55 pm

Joei wrote:This needs to be re-released with good loading times. Sadly i heard there a few things stopping it ever getting released on current consoles.

Like what?

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:29 pm

oh i was wrong- i misread. it was about how suikoden 3 couldn't come out on ps4

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:02 pm

III needs a full on remake. I'd love all of them to get remakes of remasters

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:53 pm

My wishlist for a Suikoden 3 remake:

1. Better war battle system. Suikoden 3 is by far not the worst game of the series, but it has the worst war battles, because they amount to a weird neutered regular battle system. Have one more inspired by Suikoden 2 and Suikoden 5. Especially 5, which I think has the best of these types of battles in the series.

2. World Map (preferably) or if they use the same map, let me pass through points on the map without always walking through areas. I realize that Viki becomes pointless if you do this with the kind of map Suikoden 3 has. I prefer a regular world map like in the other games of the series anyway though. If they don't want to do that. Tough shit on Viki. It's not worth ruining the game and artificially lengthening it just so she can have something worthwhile to do.

3. More game/story past the point of bringing the stars together in one castle. I've always felt that Suikoden 3 has way too much build up and not enough pay off once the game escalates into full out war. Unlike the other games of the series, the game is practically over by the time the war starts and it's basically over as soon as it's started.

My wishlist for a Suikoden 4 remake:

1. Make a new game. New plot. New characters. New battle system. You can keep the setting if you can come up with a good story set in it and don't include interminable sailing. Let's just have a new game, call it Suikoden 4, and forget the other one ever existed.
A difference between me and some fans is I don't think S4 is just bad "for a Suikoden game." I think it's a bad game, period.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:50 pm

Suikoden IV isn't salvagable.

Anyways, III has a lot of traveling back and forth. That needs to be fixed. The story problems could be ironed out by following the manga.

Agree with your other additions.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:37 pm

Suikoden is dead. Even if it weren't I don't them wastibg time on past title remakes. Suikoden 4 is a pile of shit- just leave it.

HKK · Post by **HKK** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:00 am

Suikoden is dead so let me dream!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:18 am

I know it's a piece of shit. That's why I said "remake" it by making a completely new and different game and calling it Suikoden IV so we can all forget the first one ever existed

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:38 am

Lord Golbez wrote:I know it's a piece of shit. That's why I said "remake" it by making a completely new and different game and calling it Suikoden IV so we can all forget the first one ever existed

Or make a new non garbage suikoden?

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:44 am

There must have been something about Suikoden IV, as I managed to play it through to the lass boss (though not beat it)

From the 2005 post digs, I can see that a lot of us were obsessed with talking about it. Pretty much every game from 2005 and 2006 drew similarities to it in some way (though not in a positive way)

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:19 am

Damien wrote:There must have been something about Suikoden IV, as I managed to play it through to the lass boss (though not beat it)
From the 2005 post digs, I can see that a lot of us were obsessed with talking about it. Pretty much every game from 2005 and 2006 drew similarities to it in some way (though not in a positive way)

The only thing good / interesting about it was that Ted from Suikoden 1 was in it - and you got further insight into him.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:40 am

Joei wrote:
Lord Golbez wrote:I know it's a piece of shit. That's why I said "remake" it by making a completely new and different game and calling it Suikoden IV so we can all forget the first one ever existed
Or make a new non garbage suikoden?

How is that different from what I said?

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:58 am

Because you keep saying fucking Suikoden 4. You moron.

Say Suikoden 6. The next game would be Suikoden 6.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:04 pm

A) It was a fucking joke to begin with, which you decided to get on my case about because S4 is bad, which I already said anyway.

B) Yeah, because I'm talking about actually replacing the game, so it doesn't matter what the next number is.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:08 pm

Why the fuck would they choose to replace Suikoden 4 with another Suikoden 4? You are fucking retarded and it's not a funny joke.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:16 pm

I'm done with this conversation. You're just being a miserable ass.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:23 pm

Oh no we are done with the conversation about Konami making another Suikoden 4 for some reason! Shame that's over.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:26 pm

holy shit. Joei actually sincerely likes Suikoden. I honestly thought he was being ironic or something.

And we all hate 4 too. Refreshing really.

Do you guys remember when 4 came out that reviews praised it and were actually shit talking 3?

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:36 pm

That's crazy. I don't remember that, but I do remember people saying stuff like the gameplay was bad but the plot was good. My thought was the gameplay was generic and boring but the plot was awful.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 11:58 pm

Have you played Tierkris?
Kinda doubt it but had to ask

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:21 am

Nah. Never played it. I might have gotten around to playing it eventually if they had rebooted the series with it, I don't know, but it was just a one-off anyway.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:31 am

It's actually pretty good. One last hurrah for you...

I also have the artbook for it. That thing is awesome.

God Damn, I miss Suikoden. used to torture myself every TGS hoping against hope that this would be the year.

I heard a rumor the pachinko market was starting to crash.

Also, konami put out an ad for new programmers and they used a bunch of classic konami characters for it including Tir McDohl.

No guarantee those hired programmers are going to work on actual games and not more pachinko bullshit though.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:36 am

I feel like if Konami doesn't want to develop real games anymore they should license their IPs to other developers.

Anyway, I'd be afraid of what Suikoden VI would turn out to be if they announced it at this point.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:39 am

I think if I had a few million dollars instead of buying some fancy ass car or yacht or way too god damn expensive house or restaurant that will just fail.

I'd try to buy the Suikoden rights off Konami then turn right around and just straight give them to Nintendo

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:04 pm

Asaroth Larot wrote:I think if I had a few million dollars instead of buying some fancy ass car or yacht or way too god damn expensive house or restaurant that will just fail.

I'd try to buy the Suikoden rights off Konami then turn right around and just straight give them to Nintendo

I would never want Nintendo to have them.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:07 pm

Nintendo could then put all the characters into Fire Emblem Heroes.

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:20 pm

You mean give them to Square Enix, our saviours and overlords.

Asaroth Larot · Post by **Asaroth Larot** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:22 pm

Suikoden characters would make great Dynasty Warriors.

As for Nintendo hypothetically having the rights at least I could see them consistently putting out the series. I cant think of too many modern companies that are consistent anymore.

RDM · Post by **RDM** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:24 pm

Nintendo would just put a McDohl and one of the furry characters in the next Super Smash Brothers and call it a day.

Joei · Post by **Joei** » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:50 pm

Give it to Atlus or the team behind the Tales games.

Square Gamer

Suikoden V discussion

Sairou!!!!!

Thankyou!

Sairou....again.