Final fantasy XII Might as well start it

[WaWard]

Garbo. You need to shut up. Now.

There's no point to be made. I made an unopiniated general statement. There was nothing more to it. NO HIDDEN "WESTERN RPG >> FF" MESSAGE. I would've expressed it as such if I wanted to.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

[Garbo]

No. I'm retorting to pictures because you're are a fucking idiot and there's no point in reasoning with you because you're a fucking fanboy with ADD that can't fucking read.

My being a fanboy has absolutely nothing to do with your initial comment, nor does it have anything to do with this dragging out for so long with you missing the point.

And how many times do I have to say that it does? I don't care if you can't see that your statement suggests that, but at least I'm making it clear that I don't see anything offensive in my statement.

You also don't seem to see that ditching an RPG after 5 minutes in is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

I never said it wasn't absolutely fucking ridiculous. If you really want me to go ahead and say it, fine, it's absolutely fucking ridiculous that I ditch an RPG after 5 minutes if I don't enjoy it.

Does that mean I'll stop doing it? No.

[WaWard]

I'm not missing the point you moron. You're wrong, it's as simple as that.

[Garbo]

Garbo. You need to shut up. Now.

There's no point to be made. I made an unopiniated general statement. There was nothing more to it. NO HIDDEN "WESTERN RPG >> FF" MESSAGE. I would've expressed it as such if I wanted to.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

And how about you understand that your post, whatever intention you made it with, comes off with a suggestive opinion? Once again, if you had merely said to me, that it wasn't meant to have any sort of opinion, and that you're sorry if it came off that way (a mistake anybody would have made considering the structure of your sentence), it would've been fine.

I also never said anything about Western RPGs > FF. I said that your post suggests that you have only recently begun to notice that there are much better RPGs than FFs, and I merely replied with "I think it's because you've openly admitted to a growing fondness of Western RPGs."

[WaWard]

if you merely said to me, that it wasn't meant to have any sort of opinion.

#1

Where the fuck did I mention Kotor? Of course I would include it in my own list, but I never made allusion to it or referred specifically to it. If you read my comment again, you'll notice that it's very general.

#2

And again, what the fuck is your point? I only made a general comment about how it's debatable that today FF is the standard for RPGs. That's it. No need to take it personally simply because it's the only RPG series that you play.

#3

Learn to read. I said it's debatable. I didn't even go off in the tangent of expressing an opinion. Though I kind of find it funny that you contest my statement given that you admittingly don't play other RPGs, which implies that you don't really have any form of objective basis to form an opinion on the matter.

#4

My statement suggests nothing about my opinion. How many fucking times do I have to say it?

I said that your post suggests that you have only recently begun to notice that there are much better RPGs than FFs, and I merely replied with "I think it's because you've openly admitted to a growing fondness of Western RPGs."

What's wrong with that? What the fuck is your problem? This generation I've begun liking Western RPGs and Japanese RPGs from companies not named Squaresoft. Again, what the fuck does it change? What makes my statement untrue? How does it make my statement opiniated? It doesn't.

[Garbo]

I think you're the one who needs to learn to read. I said if you had merely said to me, that it wasn't meant to have any sort of opinion.

The number of times you've told me that it has no opinion, was just that. You kept saying it has no opinion, and I kept saying that yes, there is the suggestion there that there is an opinion.

What I said you should have done, was merely to let me know that there was no intent for any opinion whatsoever in that post.

Your intentions compared to what came off in your post, are clearly different, and I was trying to point out what your post comes off as, and you just kept pushing for "No, my post doesn't come off that way" when all you needed to say was, oops, my post may come off that way, but that was not my intent.

This generation I've begun liking Western RPGs and Japanese RPGs from companies not named Squaresoft. Again, what the fuck does it change? What makes my statement untrue? How does it make my statement opiniated? It doesn't.

That alone doesn't make your statement opinionated. You said that it is now debatable, which gives the impression that at one point, you believed that it wasn't debatable (which you cleared up later on) - which makes it an opinion, or suggests an opinion. And I said that this was due to your changing tastes toward Western RPGs. It doesn't change anything. I wasn't trying to change anything. I was merely stating what I saw.

EDIT: In light of what I've just said in this post, I've probably been somewhat of a hypocrite. I apologise if my first post came off as offensive, it was not intended that way.

[HKK]

then what IS the new standard for eastern RPG's?

What do you consider the standard? Gameplay wise? Story wise? Music wise?

I can name many many Eastern rpg series that handle these said areas just as good. Yes, they may not be theatrical and spooging from their mouths will fmv, but they certainly have wayyy better gameplay than FF ever had (atleast imo).

What, you talking about music wise? I could name you some very good rpgs with great music that rivals FF in terms of composition and overall charm.

What about the story? Oh man, that's a toughie right there. Yes, FF stories are pretty good, but they aren't the only ones with great characters, plot, and memorable scenes.

So what exactly do you find as standard? Just because it's the most popular and well known it's considered the standard? Please.

[TheStrife]

[Joei]

Garbo is the anti-right.

[Calbrena]

Yay I was waiting for that pic, I knew you wouldn't resist much longer

Funniest thread evAr btw, archive it plz

[Garbo]

ok

[Undine]

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Li Europan lingues es membres del sam familie. Lor separat existentie es un myth. Por scientie, musica, sport etc., li tot Europa usa li sam vocabularium. Li lingues differe solmen in li grammatica, li pronunciation e li plu commun vocabules. Omnicos directe al desirabilitá de un nov lingua franca: on refusa continuar payar custosi traductores. It solmen va esser necessi far uniform grammatica, pronunciation e plu sommun paroles.

[Calbrena]

So many grammatical mistakes in that last paragraph hurt my eyes

Is it Europanto?


Oh and yeah I agree, masochism for phun

[WaWard]

I think you're the one who needs to learn to read. I said if you had merely said to me, that it wasn't meant to have any sort of opinion.

if you merely said to me, that it wasn't meant to have any sort of opinion.

#1

Where the fuck did I mention Kotor? Of course I would include it in my own list, but I never made allusion to it or referred specifically to it. If you read my comment again, you'll notice that it's very general.

#2

And again, what the fuck is your point? I only made a general comment about how it's debatable that today FF is the standard for RPGs. That's it. No need to take it personally simply because it's the only RPG series that you play.

#3

Learn to read. I said it's debatable. I didn't even go off in the tangent of expressing an opinion. Though I kind of find it funny that you contest my statement given that you admittingly don't play other RPGs, which implies that you don't really have any form of objective basis to form an opinion on the matter.

#4

My statement suggests nothing about my opinion. How many fucking times do I have to say it?

Your intentions compared to what came off in your post, are clearly different, and I was trying to point out what your post comes off as, and you just kept pushing for "No, my post doesn't come off that way" when all you needed to say was, oops, my post may come off that way, but that was not my intent.

Perhaps so. But I think that's pretty much what I was saying in the four quotes above. And herein lies the offense. You're acting like the trolly triplets from WF (you know who they are). Why do you make such a big deal out of an insignificant detail especially since you obviously know what my intent was and all that you do is just fucking bicker beyond belief about the semantics of my comment?

I don't believe you for one fucking bit that you didn't take that comment personally. You disagree with my statement, I don't see what else could've motivated such inane bickering, seeing that you're an admitted fanboy (and that's a typical fanboy behavior). I'd sure like to know if it's something different.

That alone doesn't make your statement opinionated. You said that it is now debatable, which gives the impression that at one point, you believed that it wasn't debatable (which you cleared up later on) - which makes it an opinion, or suggests an opinion. And I said that this was due to your changing tastes toward Western RPGs. It doesn't change anything. I wasn't trying to change anything. I was merely stating what I saw.

Ugh... More bickering. I said it's 'now' debatable because there's been like one "traditional" FF this generation so far, and 50+ other RPGs. Compared to previous generations, we were served with quite a few more FFs to make the comparison with. Go wild assumptions!

The only "traditional" FF this time around also had considerably less influence as a whole on the RPG genre and on the industry than the FFs of previous generation(s). That's not even debatable, that's a fact, and that's what prompted me to say 'now'.

As far as to what motivated me saying the statement in question, it's simply because the statement is true, and that I thought General's was not necessarily true.

[WaWard]

then what IS the new standard for eastern RPG's?

Eastern/Western? I don't believe there's a standard in RPGs this generation. Alot of new series have been released, and none of them rise to the top, a series that almost everyone can enjoy that pushes the limits of the genre beyond anything we had seen before. What we got this generation is a good amount of great/good RPGs, but nothing with a revolutionary or a huge evolutionary step. Typically "standards" are those games that push the genre to new levels. I don't think there's been such an RPG in the last few years.

And if you look at the varying styles of RPGs hitting consoles lately, you can see that there isn't a uniform direction, or a formula that is emulated by many companies. Was there a standard, most would probably attempt to emulate it.

See Garbo? That's an opinion. Now I am adressing the statement I made, complementing it with my own point of view on the issue.

[Kakeru]

like the trolly triplets from WF (you know who they are).

Care to enlighten those of us who don't know who they are?

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Li Europan lingues es membres del sam familie. Lor separat existentie es un myth. Por scientie, musica, sport etc., li tot Europa usa li sam vocabularium. Li lingues differe solmen in li grammatica, li pronunciation e li plu commun vocabules. Omnicos directe al desirabilitá de un nov lingua franca: on refusa continuar payar custosi traductores. It solmen va esser necessi far uniform grammatica, pronunciation e plu sommun paroles.

Translation please.

[Impaler]

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[Undine]

So many grammatical mistakes in that last paragraph hurt my eyes

Is it Europanto?


Oh and yeah I agree, masochism for phun

Hell if I know, it's just a generator plugin I have.

[WaWard]

like the trolly triplets from WF (you know who they are).

Care to enlighten those of us who don't know who they are?

No. Just visit the site and you'll find out soon enough.

[Undine]

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Awsome

you get a cookie


edit: Ward... mang... which three?

[WaWard]

wtf no spoilers

[Calbrena]

So many grammatical mistakes in that last paragraph hurt my eyes

Is it Europanto?


Oh and yeah I agree, masochism for phun

Hell if I know, it's just a generator plugin I have.

Omg this is teh WIN!
Anyway now I understand why singulars and plurals were all mixed up

[Undine]

wtf no spoilers

wat?

[WaWard]

wtf no spoilers

wat?

:>

[Garbo]

You're acting like the trolly triplets from WF (you know who they are).

I realise this.

Why do you make such a big deal out of an insignificant detail especially since you obviously know what my intent was and all that you do is just fucking bicker beyond belief about the semantics of my comment?

Because you continued to insist on something which I believed to be incorrect.

I don't believe you for one fucking bit that you didn't take that comment personally.

Dude, it's just a game. What reason do I have to take it personally?

You disagree with my statement, I don't see what else could've motivated such inane bickering, seeing that you're an admitted fanboy (and that's a typical fanboy behavior).

Again, I was trying to point out you were incorrect in insisting that your post suggested no opinion, and that opinion was what I was commenting on, not your general statement. Again, since you've made it clear that your post was not intended to have any opinion (though I've still yet to see you admit that your post does come off that way), this really should have stopped, since I realised my errors.

Ugh... More bickering. I said it's 'now' debatable because there's been like one "traditional" FF this generation so far, and 50+ other RPGs. Compared to previous generations, we were served with quite a few more FFs to make the comparison with. Go wild assumptions!

I'd say it's a fair assumption, once again, considering my knowledge that you have grown fonder of Western RPGs.

The only "traditional" FF this time around also had considerably less influence as a whole on the RPG genre and on the industry than the FFs of previous generation(s). That's not even debatable, that's a fact, and that's what prompted me to say 'now'.

As far as to what motivated me saying the statement in question, it's simply because the statement is true, and that I thought General's was not necessarily true.

I have no issue with you saying that statement, I believe it to be quite true. It's true that FFs have dropped in standard, as a typical fanboy, I merely attribute this to highs and lows. You can't win them all. I only said that the correlation between your comment and your changing tastes, is pretty high, and if you deny this, it's really my prerogative whether or not I choose to believe you.

[Joei]

you lose

[Kakeru]

I go to WF for the FF:XI thread and that's it. I don't trust any other part of the forum. How about a clue as to where I should look?

btw funny stuff. Keep up the good work guys.

[Garbo]

I would assume that Ward was referring to Bloo, X-Weapon, and William.

I do realise that throughout this "argument" I've been posting similarly to the way they would, but I have to at least say that I don't believe I'm better than anybody.

[Undine]

I had the same guess as garbo.

I feel dirty

[WaWard]

Again, I was trying to point out you were incorrect in insisting that your post suggested no opinion, and that opinion was what I was commenting on, not your general statement. Again, since you've made it clear that your post was not intended to have any opinion (though I've still yet to see you admit that your post does come off that way), this really should have stopped, since I realised my errors.

Ooh so it is male PMS. Nevermind, nothing to see here fellas.

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate? You're really not making a whole lot of sense. That masturbation comment is still applicable. It's a great to relief tension and extra stress.

[TheStrife]

And would also last just 5 minutes!

[Garbo]

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate?

My claims of your post suggesting an opinion are accurate. My claims of your post having an opinion are innacurate. That's what you need to understand, and that's what I understand.

And it wasn't a case of PMS, it was a case of me not being understood and you acting like a typical cockhead and just posting and some random insult more than you trying to see things from my perspective. Yes I was the one who brought up the point because I'm a fanboy, but I don't think I'm off the mark at all, unless you can explain to me properly (you're going to say you already have, but you haven't) why your post does not suggest an opinion. I know where I went wrong, I know where you went wrong, the only difference now is that I've admitted where I went wrong, and you've insisted that you were right all along, followed by more insults and

Stop being such dipshit.

[WaWard]

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate?

My claims of your post suggesting an opinion are accurate. My claims of your post having an opinion are innacurate. That's what you need to understand, and that's what I understand.

No, you're they're not. I told you it didn't. My comment suggests nothing but what it states, which isn't an opinion.

If you interpret it as such, despite what I'm telling you, then it's your problem.

[WaWard]

And would also last just 5 minutes!

Who cares. Masturbating is not about performance it's about raw fun.

[TheStrife]

Well clearly if masturbation can't keep you interested for 5 minutes it isn't worth the time to try!

[Garbo]

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate?

My claims of your post suggesting an opinion are accurate. My claims of your post having an opinion are innacurate. That's what you need to understand, and that's what I understand.

No, you're they're not. I told you it didn't. My comment suggests nothing but what it states, which isn't an opinion.

If you interpret it as such, despite what I'm telling you, then it's your problem.

Your comment suggests an opinion. Obviously I interpreted it in such a way, and thus it does suggest an opinion. Whether it was an intentional suggestion or an accidental suggestion is irrelevant, the point was, I interpreted it that way, and therefore the suggestion is there.

[TheStrife]

[WaWard]

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate?

My claims of your post suggesting an opinion are accurate. My claims of your post having an opinion are innacurate. That's what you need to understand, and that's what I understand.

No, you're they're not. I told you it didn't. My comment suggests nothing but what it states, which isn't an opinion.

If you interpret it as such, despite what I'm telling you, then it's your problem.

Your comment suggests an opinion. Obviously I interpreted it in such a way, and thus it does suggest an opinion. Whether it was an intentional suggestion or an accidental suggestion is irrelevant, the point was, I interpreted it that way, and therefore the suggestion is there.

1) Without the previous knowledge that I have started liking other RPGs, you may never have interpreted it this way. In fact, that previous knowledge you had is precisely why you rubbed it in my face initially. My comment alone suggests nothing aside from what it states and is completely independant of my preferences. And I'm telling you that this previous knowledge of yours did not prompt me to write this message.
And that previous knowledge of yours is ridiculously incomplete. Preference of Western RPGs? If I prefer them so much, why have I only completed one Western RPG this generation, compared to more than 5 Japanese RPGs?
Yeah, probably because I prefer certain elements of them. Not them in particular. In fact, I don't have a strong preference for either. I'd like to see more that share both's qualities. Didn't you know that?
2) Just because you interpret it some way, doesn't make it factual. And you're a paranoid fanboy, of course you're bound to interpret it incorrectly and see offense where there should be none. That's typical fanboy and troll behaviour.

And really, who the fuck cares what it may/may not suggests? What matters should be what it states?

[WaWard]

But have you realized your errors? Really? Why do you keep claiming that I don't understand then, when I do, but I'm just saying that your claims aren't accurate?

Yes I was the one who brought up the point because I'm a fanboy, but I don't think I'm off the mark at all

Yeah you are because it's a fucking stupid pointless debate and is only prompted by your fanboyism (which is another stupid thing that I can't understand for the life of me).

Unless you can explain to me properly (you're going to say you already have, but you haven't) why your post does not suggest an opinion.

Because it doesn't.

I think that now it's debatable that FF are the standard for RPGs. There's been alot of just-as-good/better RPGs than FFs this generation.

Hmph. Wait you're right. It does suggest an opinion. I do say I think. I'm suggesting that my opinion is that it's debatable that FFs are the standard. Hmph. I don't know why I said so. Probably because it's true. I think it's true. You even agreed with that. Wait. True = Opinion? Opz, true = fact.

I've explained my motivations to post the statement, I've explained to you my choices of words, and none of them were based on an opinion. What more do you want? Want me to suck your cock?

I know where I went wrong, I know where you went wrong, the only difference now is that I've admitted where I went wrong, and you've insisted that you were right all along, followed by more insults and

I didn't go wrong in my statements. I didn't suggest anything. Neither does my post.

I might have taken it too far with insults/ridicule, but that's because you're being insanely stupid and nitpicky to the point where it is offensive and insulting and because this "debate" (why the fuck am i even calling this a debate? ) is just as ridicule as my insulting of you. But then again, my insults do suggest some things, which you seem to be completely ignoring. Perhaps you should look more into them.

[Garbo]

1) Without the previous knowledge that I have started liking other RPGs, you may never have interpreted it this way.

You're right, but I did interpret it that way. You know why? Because the suggestion is there.

In fact, that's precisely why you rubbed it in my face initially.

I interpreted your post in such a way that an opinion was present, because there was the suggestion that an opinion is present. I replied to your post with a statement that says that opinion is probably due to the fact that you've started like Western RPGs more. That's all.

My comment alone suggests nothing aside from what it states and is completely independant of my preferences.

Once again, the "now" changes everything. Just because you didn't intend it, and I know you didn't because you've already explained to me why you used the "now" in that context, doesn't meant that it cannot be interpreted in such a way that made your post opinionated. And I interpreted it that way.

2) Just because you interpret it some way, doesn't make it factual.

Because I interpreted it that way, it makes it possible. Once again, the suggestion is there, whether you intended it or not.

And really, who the fuck cares what it may/may not suggests? What matters should be what it states? :nub2

Obviously the suggestion led to a different interpretation of what you may have intended, and that's why you and I have been on different pages up to this point.

[WaWard]

Warning: The contents of this post were already explained in previous posts. The author suggests that Garbo should re-read some of the author's previous posts, especially when the author discusses the issue of the use of the word "now" and how Garbo should masturbate even more often.

[Reiji]

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