take a break, a chrono break

[Chrono_Misjudged]

You're right Calbrena, I posted, more or less, the same post in two topics in order to have more chances to be asked. Anyway I posted this issue in topics related with my doubts. Both of them (topics) are about, more or less, Chrono Trigger.

[Entr0pi3]

I am so not selling them
<- collectibles fag
Not at the moment, at least.
But I can give info on their exact content
+ info/help/advices on how to get them on ebay, maybe

[Lord Golbez]

This thread is a collectible.

[Calbrena]

I am so not selling them
<- collectibles fag
Not at the moment, at least.
But I can give info on their exact content
+ info/help/advices on how to get them on ebay, maybe

Sorry, I thought you were selling as recently you were talking about EBaying lots of your stuff

[Yuka]

Aww...I gotta get me a Chrono Cross ISO at some point.

[Damien]

I've got a Chrono Cross clock.
It doesn't work most of the time and makes me think I've gone back in time

[Chrono_Misjudged]

You are english speakers, so Could you tell me What 'Dust chute' (words from CT game) means? It sounds horrible. it has something to do with bad Ted Wood's translation,doesn't it? (like name Flea, Ozzie and Slash instead of Vinegar, Soy Sauce and mayonnaise)

What a bad, bad, bad, superbad translators you have S-E!!!

I'm starting to think Ted Wood is a very bad guy!!!

Maybe I realize my words sound very hard, but it's all because of I'm get a little bit tired of bad translations or strange coincidences from S-E games. Maybe I'll cease to fix rarities from S-E games, There are too many of them in its games to fix them all.

[Lord Golbez]

That's right, because vinegar, soy sauce, and mayonnaise are such magnificent names. Sorry, but I'll take "tone deaf evil fiends" over some stupid condiment joke any day of the week. Also, I'm pretty sure the guy you're talking about came up with "You spoony bard," the best piece of translation ever.

[Seifer Almasy]

So um . . . what's the status on the next Chrono Game if any exists at all?

Square has turned to the way of the douche as far as I'm concerned. Their idea of quality games these days is some quasi asian-euro style bullcrap and recycled gameplay mechanics. Chrono Trigger is still one of my all time favourites. Havn't played Chrono Cross but I heard it was highly medeocre which is unfortunate. I think they should revive this series however.

[Chrono_Misjudged]

I have to make an apology about my rude words about CT translation. It's all due to a misunderstanding and lack of information. It seems to be that everybody know that CT has rights to use Ozzie, Flea and Slash names like a homage not like a mockery. And I've already translated 'dust chute' (first I found some bad translations on Internet). I have to say that I also fail to write CT translator name, I think it's Ted Woolsey instead of Ted Wood.
Then, once fixed these misunderstandings, I can say without doubt, that I find CT Script very good, superb for me. More or less, a faithful translation of original Japanese Version, and the names of places or characters that were changed in USA version, were replaced by names that fit with the original ones. For instance The gurus, in the Japanese version are Sages, and I think that guru is maybe more a hindu term than Sage (which is more general), but the meaning of a guru includes the word sage, because gurus use to be also Sages. And what about Masamune? its original name is GrandLeon, but Masamune fits very well because is an epic weapon name used in lots of games, etc... The main difference in both scripts (Japanese and English) is that in the Japanese one they attached more importance to the war between Mystics and humans and their relationships than the English one.

[Entr0pi3]

We French tend to say "traduire c'est trahir", which would roughly translate into English as "translation is treason", i.e. a translation can never truly do justice to the original version.
Which is quite true, IMO: you can more or less keep the same basic meaning, but the sounds will be lost in the process anyway (which makes translating poetry, as well as jokes based on similar sounding words, amazingly difficult, if not impossible)... along with it's-many little nuances typical of the original language, its culture, etc.
Nonetheless, some translations can be infinitely better (or worse) than others. Personally, I thinks it's often better not to stick too much to the original text: keeping the same "main idea/feel" is more important than keeping the exact same words and sentence structures.

That having been said, I think Ted's translations of Squaresoft SNES RPG are sometimes questionable (especially when they're also related to some kind of censorship: no reference to words such as Holy or Devil, for instance)
But I find the US translation of CT quite interesting, actually. Even if it seems its "treason" of the original went as far as introducing whole new concepts to the game
For instance, the Sages/Gurus being given (totally useless, IMO, but kewl ) biblical names instead of their (pretty bland/lame, tbh) original ones. Or the young prince of Zeal being renamed Janus (instead of Jacky ), which is both
1) an über-kewl mythological reference to a somewhat lesser-known roman deity
2) surprisingly pertinent, considering Janus is basically the (two-faced) god of (time) gates

What I find most amusing, I must admit, is fanboys/girls trying to draw overserious interpretation of these names which exist only in the US version (almost as amusing as the Zelda Continuity Theories based on unproperly translated material ) ... and thus don't reflect in any way the intentions of the original creators, but of the translator alone (since at the time the translation process would usually not involve any discussion between the jap and US teams)

[Entr0pi3]

Oh, BTW, concerning the guides...
It seems I don't have the Complete one (:cry)

Concerning the VJump guide, it contains:
- a short (10 pages) manga (nothing spectacular, but funny)
- a mini poster (that seems impossible to take out without destroying the book)
- illustrations of the main characters, such as they appear on the japanese box, and in the US manual. But some parts are hidden by text/screenshots, etc.
- small version of larger illustrations featuring several characters (ex: the party fighting some monsters, exploring, or simply resting) that could also be found in the US game manual (+ as posters along with the game)
- illustrations of a few NPCs (but not all of them, as the guide doesn't cover the whole game), mostly their heads (the body is often missing)

Concerning the Perfect guide:
- the same illustration that on the mini poster
- illustrations of the main character as they appear on the jap box and in the US manual (but partly hidden by text and such)
- rather large size illustrations of various party scenes at different eras
- illustrations for just about every NPC, in chronological order

So, even if it doesn't have the manga part, I'd say the Perfect guide is more interesting, artwork wise.

But let's not forget the SNES US guide, which has better (bigger, and not as much hidden with text) pics of the playable characters, + pics for most of the NPCs. A good complement to the Perfect guide (the Perfect guide still has the best full illustrations, with scenes from every eras, and more NPCs)
In comparison, the more recent Final Fantasy Chronicles (FF4+CT remake on the PS1) guide contains very few artwork, and isn't worth buying.

[Calbrena]

One more double post and you're banned

[Lord Golbez]

I never double post, but her double posts are worth like 50 of my single posts, so there seems to be a bad quality standard in this rule.

[Lord Golbez]

I never double post, but her double posts are worth like 50 of my single posts, so there seems to be a bad quality standard in this rule.

Yeah, what I said.

[Chrono_Misjudged]

Ok. Thank you very much entr0pi3 for your help with the guides. And, more or less, I agree with you about CT translations. Some US translations go far beyond Japanese version introducing some mythological references, like Janus, Mammon, Melchior, etc... against other more general concepts about good and evil like 'Holy' or 'Demon' ( Magus for instance in Japanese version his name is, more or less, Demon King, and Mammon Machine, Demon Machine )

[Lord Golbez]

Thank God for the translation. What uninspired crap names.

[fire2ash]

Seifer don't listen to others, CC isn't mediocre

Its actually really good, it just takes a while to get into the vastly different style of game it is. But the story is good, and the characters are pretty good. The only problem is that some of them aren' that well developed. The fighting system is by no means the most amazing thing ever, but its better then some of the FF's.

Because of the story I actually thinkg CC is one of the top ps1 RPG's, up there with XG, vagrant story, and FFVII/FFVIII/FFTatics.

[thirdchildren]

Planescape Torment is exactly the kind of RPG i dont wanna play, looks hella gay

You probably haven't played Fallout either have you?

[Lord Golbez]

Seifer don't listen to others, CC isn't mediocre

Its actually really good, it just takes a while to get into the vastly different style of game it is. But the story is good, and the characters are pretty good. The only problem is that some of them aren' that well developed. The fighting system is by no means the most amazing thing ever, but its better then some of the FF's.

Because of the story I actually thinkg CC is one of the top ps1 RPG's, up there with XG, vagrant story, and FFVII/FFVIII/FFTatics.

The fighting system sucks ass. I don't even think it's better than Mystic Quest.

The story on the otherhand is quite good, imo. Unfortunately, by story I just mean the overall story. Most of the game is actually idiotic fetch quest kind of stuff with no real impact on the main story.

[Chrono_Misjudged]

speaking of translations. Do you Know any good Spanish-English translator online? because the ones I use to visit are quite simple.

[Lord Golbez]

I only know of babelfish, and I know that's not good. All you have to do is translate and then translate back into the original language to see just how bad it is.

[Entr0pi3]

I don't know of any good automatic translation program (be they online or not), to be honest.

[Calbrena]

Seifer don't listen to others, CC isn't mediocre

Its actually really good, it just takes a while to get into the vastly different style of game it is. But the story is good, and the characters are pretty good. The only problem is that some of them aren' that well developed. The fighting system is by no means the most amazing thing ever, but its better then some of the FF's.

Because of the story I actually thinkg CC is one of the top ps1 RPG's, up there with XG, vagrant story, and FFVII/FFVIII/FFTatics.

The fighting system sucks ass. I don't even think it's better than Mystic Quest.

The story on the otherhand is quite good, imo. Unfortunately, by story I just mean the overall story. Most of the game is actually idiotic fetch quest kind of stuff with no real impact on the main story.

Personally I liked CC but the fighting system was boring and the fetch quests way too repetitive

As for translation tools, they generally suck. Getting a good dictionary and learning the language is the only way to really understand and get understood by people if you want to check English websites