FFVII:AC AKA THE BEST MOVIE EVER COMING OUT ON DVD TOMMOROW

[Bee]

I noticed it in HMV recently so I picked it up

I enjoy the movie for what it is, pretty and a silly follow up for the fanbois. I'm no fanboy of 7, I just thought it was good so shut the fuck up.

[Joei]

it has josie and scottish cait sith. how can one not enjoy such a masterpiece?

[Lord Golbez]

Josie?

[Sephira]

Rachael Lee Cook = JOSIE AND THE PUSSYCATS. THEY HAVE LONG TAILS AND EARS FOR HATS.

:O

[JayDubya]

O_o

It certainly isn't the best English dub ever, but then who cares? They just wheeled in their Kingdom Hearts VAs and gave them pretty much the same amount of direction they got for KH. That's what the Japanese track + subtitles are for, right?

And I don't get people calling it plotless or the equivalent of fanboy porn. Final Fantasy VII's not my favorite FF ever, but it was quite good, and this movie is an excellent sequel - it doesn't stand on its own, and requires you to know and remember the game's plot pretty well, however.

[Calbrena]

it has josie and scottish cait sith. how can one not enjoy such a masterpiece?

Josie is in it? Ok now that's definitely a gets!!!

[Damien]

Rachel Leigh Cook was also Tifa in Kingdom Hearts II

[JayDubya]

Aye, they just used their KH voices, except for Lance Bass, thank goodness. And come to think of it, wasn't Mandy Moore Aerith?

Oh well, they dropped the popstars and used "actors," I suppose, assuming actors loosely enough to apply soap opera dudes (Cloud) and washed up 90s teen movie girls (Aeris / Tifa). >_>

Makes you wish they'd hired more accomplished American VAs, but ciest la vie - at least they got Steven Jay Blum as Vincent for this and for the American release of Dirge of Ceberus, and that's encouraging.

[Sephira]

Mena Suvari was Aerith in KH2 and AC.

And thank GOD she at least got some slight acting lessons before AC. She improved a bit. >__<

[Mitsurugi]

Why don't they just get mario from the late 80's show to do aerith:drool. I'm no ff7 fanboy either, i still remember why i bought it. Although sephiroth:drool yes i am a fanboy. hmm I love pantene pro-v washed silver hair! . Although i do have a few questions though for anyone who might remember playing it.

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Um, didn't tseng die in the game? I swear to god he eventually died. And elena supposedly got beaten to death or died in the movie. And number 2, in the game in anyone remembers, when sephiroth stuck aerith there was no blood on his sword. I believe the masamune doesn't take any blood, so why was his sword covered in blood when he stabbed cloud? Is it just my imagination? And i truly believe this was just a seperate creative thing, i highly doubt nomura got in touch with sakaguchi or anyone else.

[Damien]

Mitsurugi!
[spoiler]SG has Spoiler tags you know![/spoiler]

[JayDubya]

[spoiler]Tseng didn't die in the game, but he did get injured. I believe if you don't talk to some NPC it's easy to get the impression he died.

During the movie Elena and Tseng were injured by Kadaj and his brothers, but weren't killed - Vincent mentions personally rescuing them in the film.

I believe Sephiroth's sword doesn't draw blood in the game because blood was very difficult to animate for their tech at the time, or perhaps because they wanted to maintain a Teen rating.

At any rate, in the anime Last Order and in the CG film Advent Children, the Masamune draws blood like any other sword. Nomura had oversight on both and was in charge of the production of AC, so I'm going with rating concerns and / or difficulty in rendering blood as the rationale behind Aeris not bleeding.[/spoiler]

[Mitsurugi]

thanks jay, that anwered my questions. It's been awhile since i played it last. And sorry about no spoiler tags, i'm still trying to figure them out. There almost the same as qoutes right? [qoute] [qoute]?

[JayDubya]

thanks jay, that anwered my questions. It's been awhile since i played it last. And sorry about no spoiler tags, i'm still trying to figure them out. There almost the same as qoutes right? [qoute] [qoute]?

Yeah, just click the little blue bar that says "Spoiler" and then click it again when you're done. Alternatively just use the words "spoiler" and "/spoiler" in brackets.

As for FF7, yeah I had to go back and replay it to review myself. I read a storyline FAQ and synopsis before watching the film to refresh, though.

I thought I had caught almost everything from the game back when I played it in the late 90s, but there was a lot of nuance I had missed. I had either forgotten, or never figured out in the first place who exactly Zack was, and I had missed the flashback with them in the truck near the end of the game.

Right now, I'm playing through it again, and getting 100% completion this time, all items, all E. Skills, the works. Doing FF8 next, gonna see if it deserves a second chance.

I really, really liked Advent Children. My friends and I used to geek out over FF7 and talk about the plot at school, and Sephiroth is still my favorite Final Fantasy villain. Kefka comes close, but Kefka's giddy insane evil doesn't stack up to Sephiroth's self-righteous malice, especially given how wrong he his about his own background without even knowing it. No, Sephiroth set the bar pretty high and I've yet to see his equal, save for perhaps Baldur's Gate 2's Irenicus.

I suppose I'm admitting that I'm a total fanboy geek for 7, I'm aware of it's flaws as a game, but the plot really drew me in, and since this movie brought me back to that world and presented solid video-game / matrix-y action with just enough technobabble to make a case for Aeris and Sephiroth to return in small ways, I can't help but love it completely.

[Kakeru]

Actually I'm pretty sure those scenes with Cloud and Zack aren't in the U.S. release of FF:VII... I'd never seen them before until watching the review on the first disc.

[WaWard]

Hey guys, this movie came out a week ago. It still sux.

[JayDubya]

Hey guys, this movie came out a week ago. It still sux.

[Doom]

well he's right

[JayDubya]

well he's right

[Doom]

oh wait you said you actually liked it ahahahaha
well at least you admit to being a fanboy

[JayDubya]

Well, I'd suppose I'd be in good company given the name of the website.



Unless the general consensus here is that SaGa Frontier is the pinnacle of PSX Square gaming, in which case I will promptly run away, and strongly suggest suicide to you all.

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from - this is the Final Fantasy movie a lot of us said we wanted back when the somewhat dissappointing Spirits Within was released: Bahamut, fantasy swordplay, big action, closely tied into one of the actual games (the most popular and best selling one yet, I might add)... and I'm impressed with the final result.

[Calbrena]

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from

:l:l

Anyway, in my opinion FFVII was perfect as it was and didn't need a sequel. Milking ftw~

[Damien]

But mobile phone dies was awesome!!!!

[WaWard]

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from

Probably cause it sucks. And Spirits Within is awesome compared to it, because it had *GASP* a story.

[Damien]

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from

Probably cause it sucks. And Spirits Within is awesome compared to it, because it had *GASP* a story.

...and it had General Hein and Emergency Operation

[JayDubya]

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from

Probably cause it sucks. And Spirits Within is awesome compared to it, because it had *GASP* a story.

I don't see where this "no story" stuff is coming from.

Geostigma infecting Cloud and others touched by Jenova's presence in the lifestream is an interesting background story. The remnant of Jenova's cells from the Northern Crater is a suitable macguffin to carry the plot along. The villains are interesting in and of themselves, imperfect copies manifested by Sephiroth in his death throes, only needing said macguffin to become strong enough to bring about his return.

TSW wasn't a Final Fantasy story, it wasn't even fantasy. Extrapolating the ideas of FF7's lifestream and alien meteors just isn't enough of the core elements of the franchise. Advent Children, however, accurately captures the feel of the FF7 world and brings you back there, presenting you with a new scenario that ties together some of the most fantastic action scenes ever put to film.

The storyline certainly isn't going to win any Oscars, but it's not bad, and it's certainly not nonexistant. A lot of information is left in the subtext, but then, that's how most animes are, that's how a lot of the coolest information in FF7 was as well, obscure, implied, background, hidden if you didn't talk to certain people and read between the lines.

[WaWard]

1)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fantasy
TSW does qualify as fantasy.

2)
Did you take your rhetoric from the Square Enix press release?

[JayDubya]

It was science fiction with some fantasy elements. Alien ghost rock (aka Meteor) and Gaia (aka Lifestream) were the only things even reminiscent of a Final Fantasy game.

Oh, and there was a smart guy named Cid.

Guns and technobabble with a few supernatural events is science fiction. No swords, no dragons, no magic, no airships, etc, etc.

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As for the rhetoric, well, no it's not plagiarized. It *is* rhetoric, but of course, in a discussion about the merits or flaws of something, rhetoric is better than repeatedly and mindlessly asserting "it sux" without contributing anything else.

[WaWard]

I'm not wasting more time than it sux because it certainly doesn't deserve it. I've already written what I thought about FFVII:AC after watching it first, and I'll refer you to that if you want more. I'm certainly not wasting my time on that piece of shit more than saying "It sux" to irritate fanboys.

http://www.squaregamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=738 have fun!

PS: It sux.
PPS: I never said it qualified as a "final fantasy".
PPPS: If you think that AC qualifies more as a "final fantasy" then it must be only because of its returning cast and "OMFG BAHAMUT!!11!1!!!"
PPPPS: It sux even more cuz I wrote all of that.

[WaWard]

Hey this movie still sucks!

[JayDubya]

in other words ward is fucking stupid

[WaWard]

I'm sorry that you are agreeing with Garbo. Really, I am. At least I've done my mission:

TO IRRITATE FANBOYS AND TO LEAVE UNDINE COMPLETELY INDIFFERENT

[spoiler]But DO NOT FRET WAWARD FANS, THERE'S MORE TO COME![/spoiler]

[Undine]

I'm not indifferent sometimes.... I didn't like most of it, but some of the fight scenes were cool.

[WaWard]

I'm not indifferent sometimes....

SHOCKING NEWS REVEALED!

[Yuka]

You promised me more to come!

[WaWard]

E3's next week. I promise I will troll Square Enix then.

Oh shoot, I'm out of town all week. Pray I have interweb access at the hotel.

[Kakeru]

in other words ward is fucking stupid

Shame on you quoting a post I made 2000miles and 12 cases of beer ago!

Nothing against you though.

btw have you accepted [google]Undine[/google] as your Lord and Saviour?

[Lord Golbez]

TSW wasn't a Final Fantasy story, it wasn't even fantasy. Extrapolating the ideas of FF7's lifestream and alien meteors just isn't enough of the core elements of the franchise. Advent Children, however, accurately captures the feel of the FF7 world and brings you back there, presenting you with a new scenario that ties together some of the most fantastic action scenes ever put to film.

You fool! Meteo is the cornerstone of Final Fantasy! Also, you suck at English. I mean come on, "extrapolating?" That sentence also has horrible grammatical form, but I just don't want to get into it.

[fire2ash]

Woops, didn't notice this topic got bigger.

Totally joking about KH by the way, if your going to hate on FFVII for some of its factors...then KH is just so equally easy to make fun of. If you want to call it "ignorance," then by all means, go ahead. I think being a KH fanboy is worse than an FVII fanboy, but then again thats just my opinon. Opinion will never change the fact that I did not like IX, nor even VIII as much as VII. Not because of "fanboyism" but because I played VII before either one, and neither one lived up to the complete package. True that its outdated, and aged horribly. But in 97' you can't fuck with FFVII

I just decided to bring some of the sarcasm that people showed on FFVII and brought it to KH. Seriously don't act like Sora doesn't want to be Cloud Or that its any 'deeper' than FFVII, or other RPG's for that matter. Making fun of FFVII, and then praising KH is a bit funny to me.

Sure there are plenty of things to make fun of about the FFVII franchise, but you don't even have to play KH to make fun of it. All you have to do is play the first one, see the commercials, look at the cover, or hear the music. Not saying its right, but its possible. It also doesn't mean its not a good game, because I'm sure it is.

By the way saw bits and pieces of AC today at my friends house, and somewhere between a bunch of girls puking, a crazy drunk girl (everclear..) harassing me, my friend stuart so trashed he let a bum into our pad, and my gf passing out, I missed most of it. So I'm going to try and rent it, do you think Blockbuster will have it? ?if even in stock? Cool fight scenes, thats for damn sure.

[Sephira]

Sorry, but when you hang out on GFAQs and see the most ignorant shits ever there (that place is a vortex of ignorance and retardation), it's hard not to go after people when they seem to express similar opinions to the one's on GFAQs, whether they're joking or not.

And it's almost not even FFVII itself that I make fun of/hate on, it's the fanboys. Oh GOD, the fanboys. You know the ones. The ones that think FFVII is Gods gift to man, and that it is the utopia of gaming. The ones that jerk off to the battle music at night. Those ones.

Then again, I admit to being a total fangirl (>_>) of KH, though not to the point that I can't see its faults. I know that it has faults, I just enjoy the game so much, I don't care. I suppose that's the same with you and FFVII.

In other words, getting a KH tattoo next week. YAY for ultimate nerdiness.

[Doom]

this is the Final Fantasy movie a lot of us said we wanted

uhhh

but i won't rape a thoroughly mutilated horse

[JayDubya]

TSW wasn't a Final Fantasy story, it wasn't even fantasy. Extrapolating the ideas of FF7's lifestream and alien meteors just isn't enough of the core elements of the franchise. Advent Children, however, accurately captures the feel of the FF7 world and brings you back there, presenting you with a new scenario that ties together some of the most fantastic action scenes ever put to film.

You fool! Meteo is the cornerstone of Final Fantasy! Also, you suck at English. I mean come on, "extrapolating?" That sentence also has horrible grammatical form, but I just don't want to get into it.

Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, sadly, does not present much of a true Final Fantasy story, and in truth, it barely qualifies as a fantasy story instead of a work of science fiction. Hironobu Sakaguchi, the film's writer / director, rehashes the primary story elements of his earlier work, Final Fantasy VII (those being that of destructive alien bearing meteors and the interconnectivity of life), but this alone does not convey the feel of a Final Fantasy setting.

The only other trapping of the franchise present in this film is Dr. Cid (a Cid character has been in present in every game since FF2), with the sword and sorcery elements and all other long standing traditions and characters (see also Bahamut, present in every single Final Fantasy game to date) are surprisingly vacant.

As a film, it is decent science fiction, but it borders on mediocrity. As a Final Fantasy movie, it is a failure.

Advent Children, on the other hand, manages to capture the essence of at least the specific video game it was based on, incorporating almost all important surviving NPCs and all party members to some degree. Far from perfect, the film rehashes many of the same ideas and plot devices of the game, with Jenova cells still being the primary macguffin for the evil Sephiroth to use to gain power. The storyline is perhaps the weakest aspect of the film, but it is servicable enough to move the plot along and believable enough to create audience buy-in (provided they were familiar with the game, recall its plot, and perhaps even remember it fondly).

On the positive side, the computer generated animation is every bit as spectacular as one might expect from Square (just as it was with The Spirits Within), and it is employed to create breathtaking action sequences that put the Matrix to shame. More key Final Fantasy elements are present, and perhaps most importantly, several Final Fantasy VII developers and designers worked on this movie, and it includes some excellent musical work by series mainstay Nobuo Uematsu. All in all, this was a much more enjoyable piece of work, and an excellent companion piece to the Final Fantasy game.

Final Fantasy : The Spirits Within ** 1/2

Final Fantasy VII : Advent Children ***

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Fine, more effort than you deserve.

NEW! and IMPROVED! Special Collector's Edition post, reprinted with 100% more acurait gremar and speling, fortified with vitamins STFU and FYAD.

And with that, kids, I think I'm done. You don't like it, cool, I like it alot, agree to disagree, whatever.

[HKK]

Seriously, I can't see where the negative backlash is coming from - this is the Final Fantasy movie a lot of us said we wanted back when the somewhat dissappointing Spirits Within was released: Bahamut, fantasy swordplay, big action, closely tied into one of the actual games (the most popular and best selling one yet, I might add)... and I'm impressed with the final result.

WHAT

E3's next week. I promise I will troll Square Enix then.

Oh shoot, I'm out of town all week. Pray I have interweb access at the hotel.

I'll troll them for you.

[WaWard]

The fool still hasn't figured out that science-fiction essentially is fantasy, and especially in FF:TSW's case, it squarely fits as fantasy. But I guess, fools associate fantasy with knights, mages and dragons.

I suggest he goes back to oblivion where he came from. He should stop infecting SG and GAF.

HKK

[fire2ash]

He must wander into the depths of oblivion...and close SHUT-The Jaws of Oblivion!!!!!!!!!!! *best patrick stuart imitation*

Hey he doesn't have too many bad points, I want to see FF:AC just for nostalgia factor. Honestly if they released this movie only a couple years after FFVII/FFVIII came out, I would be all over it. Probably really get into it. But seeing glimpses of it last night, it just seemed rather dull. Not as awesome as it would of been when I was obsessed with Cloud, his gigantic..sword, and his awesome hair-do (seirously I would doodle him every day, I got his hair down perfect eventually). But then again I was little, and FFVII created a perfect atmosphere.

It was also one of the first games in America that brough across somethings, like cursing, movie-like elements, crazy story, etc. So it has a special place in alot of people's hearts.FFVII fanboys are GAY. I'll admit I didn't like FFVIII as much, and thats because they could of done SO much with the story and such. IX came about the time ps2 was already out (I think?), so I played it for a couple hours and lost interest. It just seemed like the same-old thing.

As for the KH tatoo, its nerdy, but you're a girl so it doesn't matter Girl gamer= hot, but then again every pedophile on gFAGs probably says the same thing.

I agree about FFVII fanboys, is it one of my favorite game of all times? Yes, but not number one. I played it when it first came out, I was also very young. I put like 100+ hours into it first time through, and when I beat it, I felt empty, like half of my life was gone (it was). It was the first "next generation" RPG of its kind, with the graphics, the story, etc. By today's standards its not that great, but back then it was awesome. Xenogears, and Chrono Cross takes the cake for me in terms of PS1 faves.


Look at this seckzi beast...


Its Cloud Junior!

[JayDubya]

The fool still hasn't figured out that science-fiction essentially is fantasy, and especially in FF:TSW's case, it squarely fits as fantasy. But I guess, fools associate fantasy with knights, mages and dragons.

I see. So Star Trek: The Next Generation is fantasy? Aliens is fantasy?

The Once and Future King and Lord of the Rings are science fiction? Really?

Dumbass.

I suggest he goes back to oblivion where he came from. He should stop infecting SG and GAF.

Pssh. You're a mod, make it happen. Whatever.

I'll admit I didn't like FFVIII as much, and thats because they could of done SO much with the story and such.

Finally, someone sane!

IX came about the time ps2 was already out (I think?), so I played it for a couple hours and lost interest. It just seemed like the same-old thing.

Damn, you were on a roll! FFIX did suffer from being one of the last major PSX releases, but it also had probably the best graphics that elder piece of hardware ever put out. The gameplay itself was perhaps a bit too simplistic, but I do miss well-defined character classes, and at the very least character unique abilities. IX seemed to be a bit of direly needed old school in the midst of espers, materia, GF's, and sphere grids.

I agree about FFVII fanboys, is it one of my favorite game of all times? Yes, but not number one. I played it when it first came out, I was also very young. I put like 100+ hours into it first time through, and when I beat it, I felt empty, like half of my life was gone (it was). It was the first "next generation" RPG of its kind, with the graphics, the story, etc. By today's standards its not that great, but back then it was awesome. Xenogears, and Chrono Cross takes the cake for me in terms of PS1 faves.

Xenogears makes me sad because I knew it could have been an awesome, awesome game had it been budgeted / directed / developed better. The storyline was so ambitious, but the presentation on the second disk just kills it. People complaining about long-winded / intrusive modern day cutscenes have no basis for complaining unless they play disc two of Xenogears. I do love Xenogears, but the only Final Fantasy game I consider it to be superior to is the abysmal (and much beloved on this site - wtf?) FF8. *shudder*

Chrono Cross I never could really get into when I played a friend's copy, and it's impossible to find nowadays to try again. Didn't seem to have the same magic that CT did, but I could have been wrong, and Gamespot's review makes me think I probably was. I had been burned by the mediocrity of the SaGa & Mana series / Parasite Eve on the PSX and didn't feel like making the time to try another non-FF.

[Sephira]

fire2ash:

Yep, GFAQs... Yeah. >__> And, VII, yeah, it was good, but I moved on and found better things (in my eyes). Now, to me, it's a mediocre game, whored out continuously and has some of the most retarded fanboys I've ever seen.

I agree with XG and CC. Awesome games.

And, only similarity with Cloud and Sora is their hair. Otherwise, totally different. Personality-wise, Sora > Cloud. The emo-ankst-seks-beast gets old after a while. The perky, cute, almost clinically retarded makes me laugh. I'm always a fan of the sillies.

And, yep. Tattoo. I dunno. It's fun, 'cause to me, it's just an expression of art/things you like, so... :3

[fire2ash]

I agree. Cloud's personality wouldn't be so bad if Emo wasn't everywhere nowdays. Sora also has the oversized weapon (key). I think how they got attention of random people is "look ffvii fanboys, it looks like cloud..but not! and its got disney characters! Its even got kameos from FF characters!" I'll admit, I rented KH at first because it had FF character kameos in it

And yeah I always thought the EXACT same thing about XG. That game would of blown away every friggin RPG ever if it had a bigger budget, better presentation, etc. etc. OMG..I hope we get a remake some day.

[JayDubya]

Cloud Strife really isn't "emo." In the game, he acts sad essentially once: in the actual scene where Aeris dies.

From that point on, he doesn't really get sad. He goes crazy and loses all sense of self fpr a while, but that's not the same thing, and it's not "emo."


In the movie, he's sick from Geostigma and still sad about Aeris's death. He doesn't whine about it to anyone, he just likes to be on his own and has kept busy with work. This isn't really all that "emo."


"Emo" tends to require a negative connotation of exceptional whinyness and usually conveys that the whinyness has little reason / justification ("MY PARENTS JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND MEEEEE!11").

Cloud is not a cheerful protagonist ala Zidane, but that does not make him "emo." Squall Leonhart is a good example of an "emo" protagonist, loathe as I am to use the silly term in a sentence.

[WaWard]

The fool still hasn't figured out that science-fiction essentially is fantasy, and especially in FF:TSW's case, it squarely fits as fantasy. But I guess, fools associate fantasy with knights, mages and dragons.

I see. So Star Trek: The Next Generation is fantasy? Aliens is fantasy?

1)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fantasy
TSW does qualify as fantasy.

fan·ta·sy Audio pronunciation of "fantasy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fnt-s, -z)
n. pl. fan·ta·sies

1. The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy. See Synonyms at imagination.
2. Something, such as an invention, that is a creation of the fancy.
3. A capricious or fantastic idea; a conceit.
4.
1. Fiction characterized by highly fanciful or supernatural elements.
2. An example of such fiction.
5. An imagined event or sequence of mental images, such as a daydream, usually fulfilling a wish or psychological need.
6. An unrealistic or improbable supposition.
7. Music. See fantasia.
8. A coin issued especially by a questionable authority and not intended for use as currency.
9. Obsolete. A hallucination.

So basically, yeah, it could very well be fantasy. Sci-fi is a ramification to fantasy.

The Once and Future King and Lord of the Rings are science fiction? Really?

Don't put words in my mouth. I said most science fiction do qualify as fantasy, but it doesn't mean fantasy is science fiction.

Dumbass.

I guess I'm a dumbass for using very basic logic. In any case, you deserve the SG Spot award for the month of May 2006!