Men win IQ test in battle of sexes

Blue Nocturne · Post by **Blue Nocturne** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:53 am

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 02,00.html

That really doesn't surprise me one bit. I've always been dubious of a previous study (and much heralded in the media, since it lauds females and like so many things in society, denigrates males) that stated females were smarter than men. Women in general are more proficient in the liberal arts than men, while men dominate most, if not all, things mathematical and scientific. However there are many more men in the liberal arts fields than there are women in the scientific fields, in sheer number and percentages. Some would say it's comparing apples to oranges, but personally I believe science requires vastly more critical thinking than anything you will find in the liberal arts fields. It still astonishes me how profoundly intelligent and ingenious many of the key scientific figures of the past were able to discover and prove their pioneering ideas.
Liebniz (or Newton, whatever) discovering how to find the slope of a nonlinear curve (has WAY more applications than you can imagine, and is pretty much the cornerstone of calculus), the discovery than Newtonian mechanics is just a special case of quantum mechanics, Einstein's special theory of relativity which discusses the nonlinear passing of time, these are just a few of myriad discoveries/breakthroughs that required thinking out of the box, transcending it altogether. I mean, think about it, in your everyday experiences, you kind of just assumed as fact that time was linear, that one second was no different in temporal length than another second (which in everyday experiences is true, but absolutely wrong in the most general case). Yet Einstein had a little bit of madness, a little bit of fantastic thinking, and most importantly the brainpower/ingenuity/whatever to propose and substantiate such a claim.
Contrast this with the liberal arts. Actually someone who knows more about liberal artsy stuff please do, as I have way less experience in this than the other, but even pre-college, when I was taught about 50/50 liberal/science I still cannot recall learning about anything in English that blew my mind. I'm not saying liberal arts like English or history require no critical thought. On the contrary, I know they also require profound intellect, I'm just saying IMO the best past advances in science/related fields are in a rank all their own. It's no mistake that the vast majority of scientific advances have been from males.

I have no real reason for writing this, I stopped playing World of Warcraft so I thought I'd post about whatever came to mind to fill the void. That and I like discussion about topics.

Questionmarktarius · Post by **Questionmarktarius** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:13 am

Basically, any attempt to refute this will distil down to one of two points, so we may as well get it out of the way:

1) Male-dominated societies favor males more in the education process.

2) The IQ test itself was designed by men, therefore favors males by design.

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:30 am

Hedy Lamarr did come to my mind.

anynomous · Post by **anynomous** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:44 am

Observation: Women and men are both human.
Query: Why would this matter at all?

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:35 am

Questionmarktarius wrote:Basically, any attempt to refute this will distil down to one of two points, so we may as well get it out of the way:

1) Male-dominated societies favor males more in the education process.

2) The IQ test itself was designed by men, therefore favors males by design.

True, the vast majority of scientific advances have been from males, but women have only had access to Education for what, 50, 100 years?

In a lot of countries women still don't have access to a decent Education...

That and Society still put a pressure on women, telling them they should study 'artistic' stuff rather than sciences and trying to make them feel guilty when they favour studies over raising kids and taking care or their family...
[/feminist]

Now I will just resist the temptation to list scientific advances by females in the last 100 years

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:09 pm

Blue Nocturne wrote: It's no mistake that the vast majority of scientific advances have been from males.

It's also no mistake to say that, in more ways than one, science has been a male dominated field for a long time, and still is in certain respects. Women have been, and still very often are, from an early age discouraged from pursuing math and science.

Of course, I'm not saying this study is wrong. It could very well be correct, but your examples are poor, and isolating social factors as a potential root cause is foolish.

Lap · Post by **Lap** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:20 pm

Women are coming to realise that they are the true rulers of the world, though most still prefer to drink alcohol over the recommended limit and read Heat magazine willingly and with great satisfaction.

Those who have come to realise this rather obvious but life changing truth are often referred to as bitches and lesbians and usually have a poor and unsatisfying sex life. Ironically, a good sex life for women has only been fathomable since the 1960's when women started to realise that they, in fact, are the true rulers of the world.

However, none of the above makes any difference to the fact that we are all human, and as such, regardless of whether it is Men who rule or Women who rule, the situation, and results, would be exactly the same.
If all women realised it, life would change, but only on individual roles. I am a no one and will stay that way, but Arnold Schwarzegger's wife would be earning more than he is.

Seifer Almasy · Post by **Seifer Almasy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 7:45 pm

What's the point of bringing up scientific figureheads of the past who were all male when women have basically been repressed since . . . ever?

When it comes down to it why do we put such great importance on logical/mathematical/scientific thinking? Look at the wonderful world we're all working to destroy and tell me all of that is more important than a connectedness to a more empathetic perspective.

I think intelligence is relative. You have many functioning parts of a brain for a reason, and excersizing specifics certainly dosn't imply superiority, unless of course you have a society built around a penis

bsd · Post by **bsd** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:57 pm

This study is practically irrelevant in my opinion, and I would say the same thing were it a study "proving" that women are more intelligent than men (because the best leap forward for women will come when militant feminists stop trying to put us on a higher plane, anyway).
The obvious flaws in the logic of the study and of the examples provided have already been mentioned. It's almost shocking that people insist on continuing with these debates that don't get us anywhere. The point is always, in the end, that both males and females in our society need better education and wider access to it, and that we shouldn't try to confine one gender to a specific sphere.
Of course, this is coming from a girl who can't stand math and science classes, but I like to think that's my prerogative regardless.

Seifer Almasy · Post by **Seifer Almasy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:00 pm

It dosn't even matter how smart a man is anyway 'cause ultimately he will be ruled by his love for the boobs.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 5:14 am

Well, women look better, so who cares?

Lap · Post by **Lap** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:08 pm

Renge Ishyo wrote:Well, women look better, so who cares?

I've always said that if I were a women I'd be a lesbian. Beyond the biological and primal instincts, I can't find any reason why women prefer men.

Edward Norton is hot though.

Bazz · Post by **Bazz** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 4:35 pm

You#re all wrong! Not only are men more intellignent, we're smarter too!
Women need to focus more on cooking and less on booking.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:04 pm

Lap wrote:
Renge Ishyo wrote:Well, women look better, so who cares?
I've always said that if I were a women I'd be a lesbian. Beyond the biological and primal instincts, I can't find any reason why women prefer men.

Edward Norton is hot though.

Nah, it's Dennis Norden all the way.
That's 6:15 on Tuesday.
Barry, Lap, will we make it?

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:36 pm

A lot of women prefer men because they've been tricked into thinking it was the right thing to do.
That and they all love Edward Norton, and Keifer Sutherland's voice.

But I agree with Renge, women definitely look better.
Except when they're ugly

Bazz · Post by **Bazz** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:38 pm

Damien wrote:
Lap wrote:
Renge Ishyo wrote:Well, women look better, so who cares?
I've always said that if I were a women I'd be a lesbian. Beyond the biological and primal instincts, I can't find any reason why women prefer men.

Edward Norton is hot though.
Nah, it's Dennis Norden all the way.
That's 6:15 on Tuesday.
Barry, Lap, will we make it?

Stop giving away my secret name!
I seem to remember agreeing to do this thing on Tuesday, but I can't remember what it is now... Remind me what it is, the answer is probably still yes.

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:03 pm

So its Barry, eh............

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:10 pm

Bazz wrote:
Damien wrote:
Lap wrote:
Renge Ishyo wrote:Well, women look better, so who cares?
I've always said that if I were a women I'd be a lesbian. Beyond the biological and primal instincts, I can't find any reason why women prefer men.

Edward Norton is hot though.
Nah, it's Dennis Norden all the way.
That's 6:15 on Tuesday.
Barry, Lap, will we make it?
Stop giving away my secret name!
I seem to remember agreeing to do this thing on Tuesday, but I can't remember what it is now... Remind me what it is, the answer is probably still yes.

It doesn't matter if we miss that one but we certainly need to go to Ant & Dec's Gameshow Marathon next Thursday. I've got the day off so I can get to South Bank by 6.

And come to Printworks for the beach party tomorrow!
Luke too!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:15 pm

Since when is Barry a secret name?

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:17 pm

OH NOES

Hide them spoilers!

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:22 pm

Aeris dies because Sephiroth was smarter!

Yuka · Post by **Yuka** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:25 pm

But

wasn't it Jenova that killed her?

THE QUESTION REMAINS

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:29 am

And the irony of it, as smart as men are supposed to be, it is only women they wanted.

Cheese King · Post by **Cheese King** » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:30 am

yuka wrote:But

wasn't it Jenova that killed her?

THE QUESTION REMAINS

Obviously, Jenova was the smarter of the two females...

Vibing_V · Post by **Vibing_V** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:53 am

Lap wrote:
Renge Ishyo wrote:Well, women look better, so who cares?
I've always said that if I were a women I'd be a lesbian. Beyond the biological and primal instincts, I can't find any reason why women prefer men.

Edward Norton is hot though.

Well, women don't have penises, unfortunately. But they do have PMS. And the only thing worse than PMS is double PMS (yours and your partner's).

Back to the IQ thing - I've heard on several isolated occasions from different sources that the first IQ tests were pwned by women, so the men restructured them cuz they didn't like being pwned by women. I have no idea as to the vailidity of myth, but it's really not so far fetched.

Calbrena · Post by **Calbrena** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:31 am

Vibing_V wrote:Well, women don't have penises, unfortunately. But they do have PMS. And the only thing worse than PMS is double PMS (yours and your partner's).

Oooooh never thought about that

Guess I'll have to stick to men then, sorry Sally

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:13 pm

Well, women don't have penises, unfortunately.

So, you are into hermaphrodites then?

Back to the IQ thing - I've heard on several isolated occasions from different sources that the first IQ tests were pwned by women, so the men restructured them cuz they didn't like being pwned by women. I have no idea as to the vailidity of myth, but it's really not so far fetched.

"Quick, the women are starting to use their minds, assualt them with math and science."

10 minutes later.

"Phew, dominance restored. Aren't we glad we have things like infinity series and excessive unit conversions to stump them!"

Lap · Post by **Lap** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:39 pm

Stripping should be an Olympic sport.

It's one of the newer ones as they had to do it naked back in the day, but only men competed and I don't need to see them stripping.

Also, apart from the gymnastics there are not fit girls in the olympics. All the sports need women to bulk up and look more like a man. Let's balance this out. Let stripping be considered an olympic sport, and have it be a women only sport.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:33 pm

If they were to reinstate nude olympic events again I might actually watch the olympics the next time it comes around

Of course, nobody will admit it but female gymnastics and ice skating are in a disturbing way sort of erotic as is...

Mitsurugi CP · Post by **Mitsurugi CP** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:41 am

I think you're just attracted to flat-chested women.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 3:56 am

With legs that are bigger than my arms...wouldn't want to piss any of them off for sure

Garbo · Post by **Garbo** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 5:08 am

Girls are stupid

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 12:42 am

Girls are stupid

"Hee hee yeah, stupid...hee hee!"

DeathSeekr · Post by **DeathSeekr** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 12:21 am

if they had nude olympic the whole thing would be censored wouldnt it? it be like patches of skin for hours with no distinct anytihng.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:17 am

if they had nude olympic the whole thing would be censored wouldnt it? it be like patches of skin for hours with no distinct anytihng.

Would add a certain layer of suspense not being able to see behind those big black bars wouldn't you think? Imagine trying to figure out who won a sprint for example, you'd have to wait for the announcer to tell you! It might add seconds of interest to an already boring event!

Kage · Post by **Kage** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:24 am

Aren't there pron channels already to satisfy all those needs?

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 4:28 am

The people in porn are fat and lazy. The day you show me Debbie Double D pull a 9.5 on the balance beam is the day I'll tune in

DeathSeekr · Post by **DeathSeekr** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:51 am

suspense definitely i suppose, it would be like what the hell am i watching is that guy/girl hitting water or is that the track? the people in porn are people who couldnt get a job as an actor/tress. though i doubt they are very lazy considering what they do...

DR · Post by DR » Mon Sep 26, 2005 8:09 pm

My French girlfriend is actually really dumb. But then again I'm most likely to be borderline retarded. In any case this study is fucking pointless and it's just nothing but ego-boosting for sex-deprived males who will die as virgins in front of their tv watching reruns of saved by the bell.

Renge Ishyo · Post by **Renge Ishyo** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:37 am

They are still showing reruns of Saved By the Bell? What channel?

DeathSeekr · Post by **DeathSeekr** » Tue Sep 27, 2005 11:36 pm

Renge Ishyo wrote:They are still showing reruns of Saved By the Bell? What channel?

lol probably like wb13 or some kid channel

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:08 pm

Questionmarktarius wrote:Basically, any attempt to refute this will distil down to one of two points, so we may as well get it out of the way:

1) Male-dominated societies favor males more in the education process.

2) The IQ test itself was designed by men, therefore favors males by design.

OP your opinion is shit.

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 6:22 pm

Hey guys! Doesn't this trip down memory lane make you glad we mostly got rid of the alt-right fucks when SG became inactive?

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 7:18 pm

Lord Golbez wrote:Hey guys! Doesn't this trip down memory lane make you glad we mostly got rid of the alt-right fucks when SG became inactive?

They went to the last bastion of shite

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sat Apr 07, 2018 11:06 pm

I am sad at how intertwined video gaming culture and alt-right bullshit are. Yay for SG tho!

WaWard · Post by **WaWard** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:27 am

smeared ink wrote:I am sad at how intertwined video gaming culture and alt-right bullshit are. Yay for SG tho!

The blight of the oppressed white male

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:17 pm

Lap wrote:Stripping should be an Olympic sport.

It's one of the newer ones as they had to do it naked back in the day, but only men competed and I don't need to see them stripping.

Also, apart from the gymnastics there are not fit girls in the olympics. All the sports need women to bulk up and look more like a man. Let's balance this out. Let stripping be considered an olympic sport, and have it be a women only sport.

Lap would probably be embarrassed by all his posts in this thread

Lord Golbez · Post by **Lord Golbez** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:24 pm

I just want to comment that the UK has such a bizarre use of the word "fit" that one could actually utter the sentence "there are not fit girls in the olympics" and have it make some semblance of sense. Like I can understand using the word "fit" in the UK sense, but not to the point that you could call objectively among the most physically fit people on the planet "not fit." That's just an absurd twist of the word to exclusively meaning "attractive."

Fei Ayanami · Post by **Fei Ayanami** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:04 pm

Lap (whoever he is) does come across a bit twatty in this twatty thread!

RDM · Post by **RDM** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:19 pm

Wow. This was sure a thread dig.

Why does Lap have his own groove?

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